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THE FAY FAMILY HOMEPAGE

GENEALOGIES
   
Martin and Margaret Anna Fay
James and Bridget Fay
Patrick and Phoebe Fay
and their Descendants
IRISH GUESTS
Irish Guest Directory
   
from Samuel Mitchell, Kentucky, 1846
image copyright by Cartography Associates
used with permission
   
The chief sourcees for this line were the census records. These were supplemented by vital records of Kentucky which have been put online, by the Social Security lists and by the World War I draft registration. Some use was made of the LDS databases. In addition, I found a few bits of information here and there, and at the very end of my searches, I found others who were researching this same line. To these researchers, I owe much.
   
Beginning with the present, I followed the line backwards until I reached James Fay, born 1830. In 1860, he is in Mays Lick; in 1870, in Lewisburg; in 1880, in Washington; all in Mason County. In 1900, he is in Nicholas County, and by 1910 in Bourbon County. All three of these counties are shown on the map here.
   
In 1910, James is 80 and Bridget is reported as 70, but was older. He died the next year at the age of 82, on September 18, 1911, and Bridget died at the age of 85 on May 2, 1920 (Kentucky death records).
   
The two most important census records were those of 1900 and 1860.
   
1860   --Mays Lick, Mason, KY
   
The 1860 shows us James and Bridget, ages 25 and 20, both from Ireland (these ages are contradicted by later records). Then comes Patrick, age 15; Martin 6, James 4, John 3, Mary 1; and Anna, 45. James, Bridget, Patrick and Anna are said to have been born in Ireland; the younger children in Kentucky.
   
Patrick at 15 is obviously too old to be the son of James and Bridget, and so it is most probable that he is James' brother. The others are children of James and Bridget, and are listed with them in 1870, along with four more children; there would eventually be ten. And Anna? for a long time, I assumed that she was James' mother, now a widow and living with her sons. At 45 in 1860, she would have been born in 1815; and she is certainly old enough to have been the mother of James.
   
Later research into this line indicated that there is some evidence that the parents of James and Patrick were Martin Fay, born 1801 in Ireland, and Margaret Ann Smith, married in 1821. These two are said to have had seven children, including James, Patrick, and Anna.
   
But the Anna in the census of 1860 does not fit. She is too old to be a child of a marriage in 1821; and too young to be 'Margaret Ann' the wife of Martin. I have not seen the evidence for Martin and Margaret. There is some supporting evidence in the fact that James named his first son 'Martin', and Patrick's first son has 'Martin' as a middle name. Certainly, the census records make mistakes, and it is quite possible that Anna is the sister of James and Patrick, and that her age should be 35, for example, and not 45. She is not to be seen in the census of 1870; she may well have married in that time. Update, 2008. With the assistance of one of Anna's descendants, I can now modify what I earlier wrote.
   
The name of the mother of James and Patrick was Margaret Anna. In 1870, she was living with her son Patrick, who was not yet married, and with Anna, her daughter and Patrick's brother. Note that Anna is listed as "Ann" -- probably to distinguish her from her daughter Anna.
   
1870   --Mays Lick, Mason, KY
   
The Anna in 1860 is the mother of James and Patrick, in spite of the age listed. Her descendant, Richard Chambers, writes: "The age of 45 in the 1860 Census is probably off 10 years, she should have been 55 here. In 1870 with Patrick and Anna she is listed as 65. There is no indication of remarriage." This, however, leads to the next question: where was daughter Anna in 1860? She is not in Mays Lick that I can find. She would have been only 11; was she with her mother and simply omitted from the census listing because the census taker got confused by a second Anna? That is my guess.
   
Did only three of Martin's and Anna's children come from Ireland?
   
There are two other problems in this census record, one minor, one major. James' three sons, Martin, James, and John, are said to have been born in Kentucky. In 1870, Martin is said to have been born in Ireland, and James and John in New York. From 1880 on, all three are said to have been born in NY. In 1900, when the date of entry into the US is reported for immigrants, there is no indication that Martin was born outside the US. My own opinion is that he was also born in NY.
   
The major problem concerns the birthdates and order of James and John. In 1860, 1870, and 1880, where they are listed together, James is older, born in 1856, John is younger, born in 1858. In 1910,, John is listed to 1863, but in 1920, he is back to 1858. John died March 9, 1924, at the age of 66 (Kentucky Death List). The problem is that James is also listed in 1900 to 1858, in fact to February of 1858, and possibly February 25, 1858. If James was born in February 1858, he would not have been listed in 1860 as 4, in 1870 as 14, and in 1880 as 24. The likelihood of the early three decades being off in just that way by just that much and agreeing with each other is minimal. I do not know the answer.
   
Three questions asked on the census of 1900 are the date of immigration into the United States, how many years they have been in the United States, and whether they were naturalized. On the left is a small cut from two separate census pages, James' from Nicholas County, Patrick's from Fleming County. Note that James and Patrick are said to have entered in 1852; Bridget entered in 1850. To me this is a clear indication that James and Bridget were married here.

Patrick's answer seems to be correct: he entered in 1852 and he has been here 48 years. The answers of James and Bridget are not correct. They have given not the number of years here but the age when they entered. James entered in 1852 at the age of 22. That is correct so far as it goes. Bridget says she entered in 1850, at the age of 24, which would make her 10 years older than she actually was. I think, however, that one can believe the 1850, even if not the 24.
   
This is a work in progress. With that said, here are the two lines as I have found them, the line of James immediately below, and the line of Patrick further down the page.
   
DESCENDANTS OF JAMES FAY AND BRIDGET MURRAY
   
James Fay was born in January, 1830, in Ireland. He married Bridget Murray,
who was born in 1836 in Ireland. The two seem to have met in New York.
James and Bridget had ten children:
Martin | James | John | Mary | Ann | William | Joseph | Henry | Thomas | Kate
   
3  Martin Fay  b: 7/1854 in NY
.  +Mary  b: Abt. 1854
......4  Hannie Fay  b: 1/1879
......4  Nelly Fay  b: 10/1882
......4  Delia Fay  b: Abt. 1883
......4  James Mathew Fay  b: 8/2/1884
.......  +Celia Evelyn  b: 1884
............5  Mary Fay  b: 1911
............5  Martha Fay  b: 1913
......4  Daniel E. Fay  b: 10/10/1886
.......  +Sarah F. Stauber  b: 1886
......4  Walter William Fay  b: 7/25/1888
......4  Catherine Fay  b: 3/1892
......4  John Thomas Fay  b: 3/10/1894
......4  Mary Fay  b: 8/1896
3  James Fay, Jr.  b: 2/25/1858 in NY  d: 2/11/1924
.  +Catherine Schwartz  b: 1/13/1861  d: 3/1/1950
......4  Anna Mary Fay  b: 10/9/1889  d: 1/16/1985
.......  +Thomas Henry O'Connor  b: 1/16/1882  d: 4/23/1964
............5  Robert Fay O'Connor  b: 8/8/1914  d: 3/26/1988
............5  Mary Irene O'Connor  b: 1917
.............  +Paul Martin Haaf  b: 7/1/1916
............5  Janet O'Connor  b: 1918
.............  +Raymond La Verne Hoff  b: 7/7/1917  d: 3/25/1972
......4  Frederick Tom Fay  b: 3/30/1891  d: 3/23/1972
.......  +Catherine Fette  b: 1891
............5  Frederick E. Fay  b: 12/2/1922  d: 9/30/2003
.............  +Dorothy Mae Pitzer
..................6  Elizabeth Marie Fay
..................6  Anthony Fay
..................6  Gary Fay
..................6  Jonathan P. Fay
..................6  Michael Fay
..................6  Christine Anne Fay
..................6  Kathleen Marie Fay
..................6  David A. Fay
..................6  Ramona Marie Fay
..................6  Frederick E. Fay
..................6  Angela Marie Fay
..................6  Steven M. Fay
..................6  Daniel J. Fay
..................6  Rosanne Marie Fay
............5  Mary Rita Fay  b: 1925
.............  +Jean William Shiveler  b: 9/14/1922
..................6  Fay Marie Shiveler  b: 11/1/1948
..................6  Donna Jean Shiveler
......4  Catherine Dolores Fay  b: 7/25/1892  d: 1/16/1927
......4  John B. Fay  b: 3/8/1894  d: 9/17/1982
.......  +Mary Margaret Stewart  b: 4/25/1896  d: 9/17/1941
......4  James H. Fay  b: 4/23/1895  d: 2/9/1974
.......  +Kathryn Larkin
......4  Joseph L. Fay  b: 5/8/1897  d: 10/10/1959
.......  +Mabel Smith  b: 7/17/1899  d: 10/25/1956
............5  William T. Fay  b: 2/27/1921  d: 9/12/1992
............5  Edward Smith Fay  b: 5/30/1922  d: 10/1986
............5  Joseph Lee Fay  b: 9/18/1927  d: 7/1973
......4  Rose Irene Fay  b: 1/22/1899  d: 5/18/1995
.......  +John McNamara
......4  Helen Henrietta Fay  b: 8/1/1900  d: 1992
.......  +Merrill Oliver Hutchinson  b: 6/20/1902  d: 1995
......4  Herman Francis Fay  b: 3/11/1903  d: 9/8/1982
.......  +Leona Bernadette Stevens  b: 3/29/1902  d: 7/14/1971
......4  William L. Fay  b: 11/18/1905  d: 3/4/1907
3  John Fay  b: Bet. 1858 - 1859 in NY  d: 3/9/1924
3  Mary E. Fay  b: 10/1859
3  Ann Fay  b: 1862
3  William Fay  b: 1865
3  Joseph F. Fay  b: 4/1866
3  Henry Fay  b: 1/1868
.  +Mary M.  b: 1883
......4  Richard Fay  b: 1915
3  Thomas Fay  b: 10/1871
.  +Mary G. Hoelscher  b: 1886
......4  Joseph David Fay  b: 2/19/1908  d: 4/18/1995
.......  +Nettie Elisabeth Robb  b: 5/8/1911  d: 4/22/1992
............5  Joseph Thomas Fay  b: 3/13/1935
.............  +Margret Jean Souza
..................6  Joseph Thomas Fay, Jr.
........................7  Jessika Fay
........................7  Anastasia Fay
........................7  Joseph James Fay
..................6  Elizabeth Ann Fay
.................... +Patrick Gibbens
........................7  Lindsay Gibbens
........................7  Becky Gibbens
..................6  John Michael Fay
........................7  Connor Michael Fay
..................6  Bernadette Marie Fay
.................... +Chris Mathews (1)
........................7  Shayne Michael Mathews
.................... +Paul Suckling (2)
........................7  Preston Suckling
........................7  Trevor Suckling
............5  Mary F. Fay  b: 1/24/1938
............5  James E. Fay  b: 10/23/1939
............5  John C. Fay  b: 8/12/1943
............5  Daniel M. Fay  b: 4/18/1949
............5  Michael E. Fay  b: 1/6/1958
......4  Catherine Gertrude Fay  b: 1910
......4  Charles Thomas Fay  b: 9/2/1914  d: 10/5/1981
.......  +Georgia Perraut  b: 5/22/1917  d: 11/18/2006
............5  Charles Thomas Fay  b: 8/6/1948
.............  +Joyce
..................6  Brian Fay
..................6  Jason Fay
..................6  Kevin Fay
..................6  Shawn Fay
............5  Margaret Anne Fay  b: 9/20/1946
.............  +Dennis Nolan
......4  Henry Martin Fay  b: 2/4/1917  d: 3/9/2002
.......  +Lucille E. Prather  b: 9/10/1915  d: 3/9/1994
............5  Linda Fay
.............  +Elwood Cole
..................6  Gary Wayne Cole
........................7  Shelby Ann Cole
..................6  David Alan Cole
........................7  David Alan Cole, Jr.
..................6  Christina Michelle Cole
.................... +Patrick V. Corbitt
..................6  Tammy Lynn Cole
.................... +William W. Landkamer
........................7  Cole Landkamer
........................7  Ty Landkamer
......4  James Edward Fay  b: 1919
......4  Margaret Fay  b: 1922
......4  Frances Fay  b: 1924
3  Kate Fay  b: 6/1875
   
DESCENDANTS OF PATRICK FAY AND PHILOPOENA PHOEBE SCHWARTZ
   
Patrick Fay was born January 6, 1846, in Ireland. He married
Philopoena Phoebe Schwartz, who was born about 1855 in Ohio. She died in Fleming County on December 29, 1913.
Patrick and Phoebe had seven children:
Frederick | James | Anna | Margarite | Mary | John | Francis
   
3  Frederick Martin Fay  b: 11/1/1884  d: 1/1974
.  +Hattie Turner  b: 1895  d: 5/19/1945
......4  Phoebe E. Fay  b: 1/22/1920  d: 11/6/2000
......4  Charles Patrick Fay  b: 11/30/1921  d: 10/18/2004
.......  +Betty Crockett
............5  Bobby Lloyd Fay  b: 4/20/1950
.............  +Judy M. Nichols
..................6  Chip (Bobby Lloyd) Fay  b: 2/26/1980
.................... +Beth
......4  Freddie Fay  b: 1/11/1924  d: 2/5/2008
.......  +Icel Page
............5  Frederick Michael Fay, Jr.  b: 8/23/1956
............5  Marsha Marie Fay  b: 1/3/1959
......4  Anna Marie Fay  b: 4/6/1927  d: 4/25/1992
.......  +Russell Lloyd Chambers
............5  Russell Lloyd Chambers, Jr.
............5  Robert Ray Chambers
............5  Richard Vaughn Chambers
.............  +Charlene Spradlin
......4  Iva Mae Fay  b: 9/7/1930  d: 6/5/2008
.......  +Eugene Earlywine
............5  Garnett R. Earlywine  b: 1/16/1948  d: 3/1982
............5  Charles E. Earlywine  b: 8/17/1949
............5  Marcella Marie Earlywine  b: 10/20/1951
3  James Henry Fay  b: 11/7/1885  d: 4/22/1964
.  +Alice Beatrice Tierney  b: 10/1897  d: 3/8/1956
......4  Margaret A. Fay  b: 8/29/1918
......4  Mary A. Fay  b: 1/7/1920
......4  James P. Fay  b: 5/13/1922
......4  Louis F. Fay  b: 1924
......4  Tresa A. Fay  b: 3/10/1925
......4  Thomas E. Fay  b: 6/24/1929
......4  John R. Fay  b: 1/1/1935
3  Anna Fay  b: 2/1887
.  +Thomas B. Cropper  b: 12/21/1886
......4  William P. Cropper  b: 8/2/1915  d: 12/26/2004
.......  +Mary Estill
............5  Margaret Cropper
............5  Patrick Cropper
............5  Helen Cropper
............5  Leo Cropper
............5  Andy Cropper
............5  Karen Cropper
............5  Barbara Cropper
......4  Alexander Fredrick Cropper  b: 1/11/1917  d: 12/18/2002
......4  Thomas Cropper, Jr.  b: 10/21/1918  d: 10/1958
......4  James C. Cropper  b: 3/17/1922  d: 4/17/2003
......4  Mary E. Cropper  b: 2/6/1925
3  Marguerite Fay  b: 7/26/1888  d: 9/1971
.  +Michael Holland  b: 8/3/1883
......4  Philippina M. Holland  b: 11/1/1921
......4  Anna J. Holland  b: 1924
......4  Rose F. Holland  b: 8/26/1925
......4  Michael F. Holland  b: 6/7/1928
......4  Thomas H. Holland  b: 9/4/1930
3  Mary R. Fay  b: 11/1890
.  +James B. Cropper  b: 10/5/1895
......4  Joseph E. Cropper  b: 3/25/1919  d: 4/3/1990
......4  Mary B. Cropper  b: 12/28/1920
......4  Julia T. Cropper  b: 6/14/1923
......4  Anna M. Cropper  b: 6/12/1925
......4  Agnes M. Cropper  b: 2/23/1929
......4  John P. Cropper  b: 3/15/1932
3  John Thomas Fay  b: 6/16/1891  d: 8/29/1990
3  Francis Patrick Fay  b: 12/3/1893  d: 2/16/1991
.  +Ruby E. Lowe  b: 1906
......4  James E. Fay  b: 1924
......4  Raymond Fay  b: 2/1/1925
......4  Rose F. Fay  b: 11/23/1926
......4  Mary H. Fay  b: 12/20/1928
......4  Cecil A. Fay  b: 4/26/1931
......4  Rutst A. Fay  b: 7/11/1934
from the KY birth list; Ruth?
......4  Joseph Fay  b: 2/29/1940