AN APPROACH TO LEARNING BARNET FRY'S PARENTAGE

My Theory Regarding John Fry as Barnet's Father

The 1810 Culpeper County, Va. Census shows one Fry. His Name was John. The census shows:

Two males under 10, one male 26 to 45, one male 45 and up and 1 female under 10 and one female 26 to 45. From this I assume that one of the males under 10 was Barnet/Bernard (he is shown as 43 in the 1850 St Francis County, Mo. census and 51 and 60 in the Ste Genevieve County, Mo. 1860 and 1870 census's), the second male under 10 I assume is a brother to Barnet. The male 26 to 45 I assume is John, the father, and the male 45 and up I assume is John's father. As for the females in the census, I assume the female under 10 is Francis, the wife of Henry Gaines seen in the 1850 census with a John age 70 in the household. Barnet/Bernard is in the household immediately next door. If this is the same John as that shown in the Culpeper County 1810 census then the 1810 census John is 30 years old. That fits with the age range of 26 to 45. The second female in the 1810, age 26 to 45, I assume is John's wife.

The 1820, 30, and 40 Robertson County, TN census's shows a John Fry (spelled Frey) as follows:

1820 - One male under 10, One male over 45 and 4 females under 10 and one female over 45 1830 - One male 15 to 20, two males 20 to 30, one male 50 to 60 and two females 15 to 20 and one female 50 to 60. 1840 - One male 20 to 30 and one male 60 to 70 and one female 5 to 10, one female 10-15, two females 15 to 20, two females 20 to 30, one female 40 to 50 There are no John Frys in the Robertson County 1850 census. However a John Fry's age is shown in the household of Francis and Henry Barnes as mentioned above. Further the Barnes' arrived in St Francis County, Mo. in 1844.

I'll present the foregoing in table form for easier visualization. Notice there is only partial correlation of the children even though John's age correlates with all of the census's.

1810 Culpeper County, VA census

----------------------------MALES------------------------------------------------------'''---------------------FEMALES-------------------------

1820 Robertson County, TN census below

----------------------------MALES------------------------------------------------------'''---------------------FEMALES-------------------------

From the foregoing Barnet/Bernard fits the 10-16 age range and the second male appears to be a younger brother of Barnet/Bernard. Mary Shannon fits the age range of the 4 female children but there is no Frances who would be in the age range 10-15.

For the table below: a) under 5; b) 5 and under 10: c) 10 and under 15; d) 15 and under 20; e) 20 and under 30; f) 30 and under 40; g) 40 and under 50; h) 50 and under 60; i) 60 and under 70; j) 70 and under 80. The given name is John in all 3 cases.

...........................................Males.................................................................................Females

Year	a	b	c	d	e	f	g	h	i	j		a	b	c	d	e	f	g	h	h
1830	1	1	-	1	2	-	-	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	2	-	-	-	1	-
1840	-	-	-	-	2	-	-	-	1	-	-	-	1	1	2	2	-	1	-	-

In 1830 Barnet fits in the age range of 20-30 (e) and 2 of the 4 girls shown as under 10 in 1820 the 2 shown in 1830 are in the age range 15 and under 20. Where are the other 2 girls from 1820?

In 1840 the 2 youngest boys shown in 1820 are missing. One of the 2 boys in the e age range (20-30) is gone. Could be Barnet/Bernard. The boy in the d age range appears to have moved to the e age range. John as aged by 10 years. The 4 girls shown in the b, c, and d age ranges cannot be explained. The 2 girls in the e age range appear to be the 2 that were in the d age range in !830. I can't explain the older h (50-60) female in 1830 versus the older g (40-50) female in 1840

John Fry appears in the household of Mary Shannon in the 1860 St Francis County, Mo. census. She is shown as age 48. This, of course, means she was born in 1812, and her birthplace was shown as VA. She would be 8 years old in 1820 and the 1820 Robertson County TN census shows that John has four girls under 10 in his household and one girl between 10 and 15. Mary Shannon could be one of the 4 girls while Francis Barnes, age 44 in 1850, could be the girl in the 10 to 15 age range. The Shannon's came to St Francis County, Mo. abt 1849. This correlates with the migration of Barnet/Bernard Fry to St Francis County since he sold his land in Robertson County, TN in 1848.

I'm adding an email below to provide added information:

Subject: Re: Shannon

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:14:58 +0000

From: Joyce L Glasgow <jlglasgow@juno.com> To: efrye@socal.rr.com

I have never found the marriage record for William Porter Shannon. There is an oral tradition that "he went to St. Louis as a young man." Possibly the marriage did not take place in Tennessee. I don't know if he spent some time in St. Francois County during that period of his life or not.

I don't have any information on Henry Barnes or his wife.

Going through my notes, I find the following for the Census of 1870, St.Francois County, Missouri:

Shannon, Mary E., age 58 - farmer - born Virginia - living in Perry Township

Living with Mary was Medora, age 23, born Tennessee

I don't have the death date for William P. Shannon. His probate records are found in Box 21 in the St. Francois County records. (I took notes, but did not get photocopies, so I don't know if any Frys are mentioned.)

Mary Shannon, widow, resigned as Adm. October 14, 1859. A summons dated December 3, 1860 was issued to Hugh Shannon to appear in court in regard to a dispute over the Estate of William Shannon.

Hugh Shannon sometimes appears in the records as Joseph Shannon. His grandfather was Hugh Shannon of Robertson County, Tennessee. Hugh is of interest because of his close relationship with Sam Hildebrand. In fact, Sam bought some items at William Shannon's estate sale. Sam and Hugh married sisters, Margaret Hampton and Ellen Hampton. In ST. FRANCOIS COUNTY MISSOURI PIONEERS, THEIR ANCESTORS AND DESCENDANTS, Francis Marion Thurman states that Margaret and Ellen were the daughters of Mary Fry and Henry Hampton. Mary Fry was the daughter of Rebecca Baker and Henry Fry.

Henry Hampton married Mary Frey July 19, 1827. The certificate of marriage is filed page 339, Deed Book A, St. Francois County records. Was Mary related to the Robertson County family? The Shannons came to St.Francois County about 1849. I don't know if other Robertson County families preceded them there.

Joyce Glasgow

The 1850 St Francis County, Mo. census shows Barnet/Bernard and his family dwelling in 460 and Henry Barnes and family as dwelling 461. They were next door neighbors. The household of Henry Barnes was:

Henry Barnes age 44 born in VA; Frances age 44 born in TN with children Mary 16 b KY, William 13 b KY, Thomas 12 bKY, Lucy 8 b KY, John 6 b Mo., Catherine 3 b Mo., and John Fry 70 b VA. Since the child John was the first child born in Mo. then the Barnes arrived in Mo. in 1844 and after Lucy born in KY in 1842.

I assume then that Frances Barnes was John Fry's daughter and I assume she was born in VA and not in TN.

NAMING PATTERNS IN THE 17^TH AND 18^TH CENTURIES

The following item was provided by Verne Horton and passed to his Horton Cousin's. I've had this document for several weeks before it dawned on me to try to use it to identify the parentage of Barnet Fry, my paternal ggreatgrandfather. By the way, In James Horton's will he names Bernard and not Barnet as his daughter Nancy's husband so we can see that spellings change depending on the person doing the transcription.

The instance of repeated given names through generations is quite

common in history. This practice is referred to as "naming conventions".

It is quite common in many ethnic backgrounds. My family, on the maternal

side were, Stewarts. In the 17th and 18th centuries, the "naming convention"

concept was quite well adhered to in the family. In one instance, I knew what

the fathers name was long before I "discovered" him.

One of the most common Western European naming conventions is as follows:

Child: Named after:

1st son = father's father

2nd son = mother's father

3rd son = father

4th son = father's oldest brother

5th son = father's 2nd oldest brother or mother's oldest brother

1st dau = mother's mother

2nd dau = father's mother

3rd dau = mother

4th dau = mother's oldest sister

5th dau = mother's 2nd oldest sister or father's oldest sister

Adhering too adematly to the theory of 'naming conventions" when researching

a family history can lead you astray, however, once they begin to appear to

occur in a family, they can provide excellent clues and help to verify found

ancestors

"Cousin" - Verne

Here are the names and relative ages of Barnet/Bernard Fry's children derived from the 1850 St Francis County, Mo. census. Oldest son first.
1^st Son - Charles

2^nd Son - James

3^rd Son - John

4^th Son - Jacob

5^th Son - Henry Peter

1^st and only daughter - Sarah

From Vernes list above the indication is: Notice that the correlations fit for Nancy when she is considered "mother" but they do not fit when Barnet is considered "father". In Barnets case "father's father" seems to mean Barnet's grandfather and "father" seems to mean Barnet's father.

1) If we assume "father's father means Barnett's grandfather's Then Barnet's grandfather's name was Charles

2) Nancy Horton Fry's fathers name was James - And this is true and verified

3) If we assume "father" means Barnet's father's then Barnet's father's name was John - this appears to be true in that the only Fry in the 1810 Culpeper County, VA. census is John Fry with male children in the age range that fits Barnet and he does not appear in the Culpeper County census in 1820. A John Fry does appear in the 1820, 30, and 40 census's in Robertson County, TN that is the correct age range. He does not appear in the Robertson County, TN census in 1850. A John Fry does appear in the 1850 St Francis County, Mo. census in the same township as Barnet, i.e., Big River Mills and next door to Barnet.

4) Barnetts 4^th son's name was Jacob - If the correlations are correct Jacob is the name of Barnetts oldest brother.

5) Barnets 5^th son's name was Henry Peter - If the correlations are correct Henry or Peter is the name of Barnetts 2^nd oldest brother or mother's (Nancy) oldest brother. Henry is the name of Barnets wife Nancy Horton's oldest brother.

6) 1^st daughter Sarah - Named after Nancy's mother. Nancy's mother's name was Sarah.

Conclusion: All names correlate with data available for those given ancestor's with the assumption regarding the use of "fathers father" and "father" as described above.. It is reasonable to conclude that where data is not available those names are likely to be the names of Barnet's father, grandfather, and his 2 oldest brothers. My next move will be to examine census data for a Charles Fry and attempt to get the wills.