

Border Reivers - Liddell Clan subsheet												This is the:	=>	Border Reivers - Clan Liddell subsheet, including variants Liddle, Little, Lyttle, etc.
	Coordinators: Jim Liddell & Jim Elliott											Go To:	=>	BORDER REIVER FAMILIES Y-DNA STUDY: R1b Results Page
		Clan Liddell, aka Little, aka Lyttle Badge, Tartan, History										Go To:	=>	BORDER REIVER FAMILIES Y-DNA STUDY: I, J, P, R, R1b-subclades Results Page
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Updated to December 19, 2004:																															Dropping each by one. These results reflect those changes."
FTDNA	Locus:						See Donegal Bay	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	11	12	Locus12-10=result		13	14	15	16	17	18	19	20	21	22	23	24	25				26	27	28	29	30	31	32	33	34	35	36	37		(Below Loci tested by Relative Genetics and Ancestry; 461 also by dnaheritage.com & genetree.com)					by: Oxford Ancestors
DYS#s= ~ AMH=>								393	390	19/394	391	385a	385b	426	388	439/ YGATAA4	389-1	392	389-2	(389ii-389i)=		458	459a	459b	455	454	447	437	448	449	464a	464b	464c	464d	464e		DYS#s	460	Y-GATA H4 / TAGA-H4 *	YCA II a	YCA II b	456	607	576	570	CDY a	CDY b	442	438		461	462	GGAAT1B07	YGATAA10	YGATAC4	425	DYS#s
										*		**	**			* / **	***		***			**								**	/*	/*	/*	/*	**									**	**	**	**
HG1=~R1b (HT15) Modal Values =>						=>		13	24	14	11	(Roper)11= Paleolithic	14	12= HG1	12	12	13	13	29	16		17	9	10	11	11	25	15	19	29	(Roper) 16= Paleolithic	16	18	18			<=HG1=>	11	12	19	23							12	12		11	11	10	13	23		<=HG1=>
Estimated Mutation Rates; from			Marker and Mutation Comparisons '=>					.0012	.0045	.0016	.0036	.0033 (*)		.0005	.0005	.0045	.0021	.0016	.0028			.0066	.0014 (*)		.0005	.0005	.0045	.0020	0.003	0.008	0.0035	0.0035	0.004	0.0035				.0028	.0036	.0014 (*)									.0012		.0028	.0005	.0013	.0045	.0028		See Marsh:
Test By:	Results Number:	Surname Group:	Haplogroup: (Green = SNP Tested)	DNA Study Notes:	Y-Base / Y-Search links:	YSTR Mutation Rates '=> Migration Pattern:		0.0034	0.00403	0.00143	0.0041	0.00292				May mutate in multi-steps?!	0.002	0.0034	0.00323		steps from AHT															steps from AHT	Results Number:				May mutate in multi-steps?!									steps from AHT	Additional Relative Genetics loci. See Rel Gen Reporting Conventions Note, Below:						Results Number:

Assumed Liddell/Little Ancestral Haplotype #1 (AHT) =>						=>		13	24	14	11	11	11	12	12	12	13	13	29	16	#1	17	9	10	11	11	25	15	20	29	14	15	17	17		#1		11	10	19	24	15	15	18	16	36	38	12	12	#1		11		13
FTDNA	26664	Liddell	R1b	Compare	UFFCJ			13	24	14	11	11	11	12	12	12	13	13	30	17	1
FTDNA		Little	R1b		Z6GNG			13	24	14	11	11	11	12	12	12	13	13	29	16	0
OA		Little	R1b		QBB9D			13	24	14	11			12	12		13	13	29	16	?																																			12
FTDNA		Little	R1b		TGCBH			13	24	14	11	11	11	12	12	12	13	13	29	16	0	17	9	10	11	11	25	15	19	29	14	15	17	17		0?
FTDNA	27531	Lyttle	R1b		EUUEK			13	24	14	11	11	11	12	12	13	14	13	30	16	1																27531																				27531

Haplotypes J			" V					DYS 393	DYS 390	DYS 19/394	DYS 391	DYS 385a	DYS 385b	DYS 426	DYS 388	DYS 439	DYS 389-1	DYS 392	DYS 389-2	(389ii-389i)=		DYS 458	DYS 459a	DYS 459b	DYS 455	DYS 454	DYS 447	DYS 437	DYS 448	DYS 449	DYS 464a	DYS 464b	DYS 464c	DYS 464d	464e		DYS#s	460	Y-GATA H4 / TAGA-H4	YCA II a	YCA II b	456	607	576	570	CDY a	CDY b	442	438		461	462	GGAAT1B07	YGATAA10	YGATAC4	425
MODAL VALUES			(J2)			=>		12	23	14	10			11	16			11					9	9	11	11
FTDNA	26791	Liddell	-		EGCCF			12	23	14	10	13	18	11	17	11	13	11	29	16
FTDNA	27059	Liddell	-					12	23	14	10	13	18	11	17	11	13	11	29	16
FTDNA	26819	Liddell	-		CK2MP			12	23	14	10	13	19	11	17	11	13	11	29	16

												(Roper)14= Neolithic																			(Roper)13= Neolithic																				Additional Relative Genetics loci. See Rel Gen Reporting Conventions Note, Below:
Test By:	Results Number:	Surname Group:	Haplogroup: (Green = SNP Tested)	DNA Study Notes:	Y-Base / Y-Search links:	Migration Pattern:	DB	393	390	19/394	391	385a	385b	426	388	439/ YGATAA4	389-1	392	389-2	(389ii-389i)=	steps from AHT	458	459a	459b	455	454	447	437	448	449	464a	464b	464c	464d	464e	steps from AHT	Results Number:	460	Y-GATA H4 / TAGA-H4 *	YCA II a	YCA II b	456	607	576	570	CDY a	CDY b	442	438	steps from AHT	461	462	GGAAT1B07	YGATAA10	YGATAC4	425	DYS#s
					(Note: Y-Base only used if no Y-Search entry)					*		**	**			* / **	***		***			**								**	/*	/*	/*	/*	**									**	**	**	**
																														"Note - On May 19, 2003 FTDNA reassigned the values for 464a,b,c,and d.
																														Dropping each by one. These results reflect those changes."
* DYS 19 is also known as DYS 394./ * DYS 439 is apparently also known as Y GATA A 4. The Ancestry results for locus Y GATA A 4 are the same values as the FTDNA results for locus #9 (DYS 439)
The Atlantic Modal Haplotype (AMH) consists of DYS393=13; 390=24; 19=14; 391=11; 388=12; & 392=13. It is an outdated concept, and is not broadly useful in distinguishing the many haplotypes now known to exist.
Red Colored Cells=> ** Rapid Mutation Rates; per FTDNA.					Red Mutation Rates => Estimated Rapid Mutation Rates per							Marker and Mutation Comparisons
From "Marsh":		"FTDNA released results of a study Nov 2004. The way data was collected, it has been questioned by some if it may have biased results. However, in the absence of good information, it is a significant study.
This indicates the mutation rate is faster than originally thought.						… on average, you might expect one mutation every 21 generations with 12 markers, every 9 generations with 25 markers, and every 5 generations with 37 markers.
However, there are a number of factors at play which need to be allowed for. Some markers, if the have very high or low scores might be more likely to mutate, meaning that some families might be prone to more mutations than other
families. It might also be significant to take into consideration if it is slow or fast mutating markers which have mutated. Other markers seem to mutate in more than one step at a time, and this needs to be considered."
*** See Genetic Distance - FTDNA Calculation
"The 389-1 count is also included in the 389-2 count. In other words, 389-2 has two parts: the 389-1 part and its other unique part.
"Therefore, the calculation to determine distance subtracts the 389-1 count from the 389-2 for each person to determine one set of numbers. Those results are subtracted and the difference is added to the 389-1 difference.
"No matter what the difference is in any of the 464 a b c d groups, each counts only as 1 and any match in the group counts as 0 no matter what order it appears on the chart."
Note: [DYS426=12 PLUS DYS392=11]=>R1a
Note Below for Relative Genetics Reporting Conventions:
The values for DYS454, DYS455, and Y-GATA-H4 are given according to Relative Genetics revised reporting conventions.
Before Spring 2003, the values reported for DYS454 and DYS455 were smaller by "1" than those for the new convention.																															This is the:	=>	Border Reivers - Clan Liddell subsheet, including variants Liddle, Little, Lyttle, etc.
Similarly, Relative Genetics changed their convention for reporting Y-GATA-H4 in the Fall of 2002.																															Go To:	=>	BORDER REIVER FAMILIES Y-DNA STUDY: R1b Results Page
Values for Y-GATA-H4 reported before that time were larger by "15".																															Go To:	=>	BORDER REIVER FAMILIES Y-DNA STUDY: I, J, P, R, R1b-subclades Results Page
The marker Y-GATA-A4 was found to be identical to DYS439 and is no longer used by Relative Genetics.																															Go To:	=>	BORDER REIVER FAMILIES Y-DNA STUDY: Directory Page
* "GATA H4 now becomes TAGA H4 in line with NIST recommendations...Important note: Family Tree DNA customers who have had 37-marker results which include this marker
WILL HAVE TO ADD 1 to their GATA H4 values to update to the newer TAGA H4 system in Ybase and thus be directly comparable with DNA Heritage and Relative Genetics customers..."
Conversely, DNA Heritage costomers would have to deduct 1 from their TAGA H4 values to compare with the FTDNA GATA H4 values.
If you were tested by DNA Heritage or Relative Genetics, for example, your value on TAGA-H4 will be one repeat unit greater than it would be when reported as GATA-H4 by FTDNA.
The Y-Search web site has more information on these nomenclature differences:								http://www.ysearch.org/conversion_page.asp#RG
See also:	Whit Athey's Haplogroup Estimator
DYS#s= ~ AMH=>							DB	393	390	19/394	391	385a	385b	426	388	439/ YGATAA4	389-1	392	389-2	(389ii-389i)=	steps from AHT	458	459a	459b	455	454	447	437	448	449	464a	464b	464c	464d	464e		DYS#s	460	Y-GATA H4 / TAGA-H4 *	YCA II a	YCA II b	456	607	576	570	CDY a	CDY b	442	438		461	462	GGAAT1B07	YGATAA10	YGATAC4	425	DYS#s