FTDNA

Haplogroup: R1b1b2

Updated to 24 June 2010

There has long been a hypothesis that the "Southern" or "Virginia" Strongs are somehow related to the "New England" or

"Elder John Strong" lineage. Recently, DNA testing has revealed that these lineages are rather distinct genetically, and that

this hypothesis in not true. Testing of the male Y-Chromosome conducted by the LeStrange Strange Strang Stronge Strong

Surname Project using facilities offered through Family Tree DNA has shown that, while the lineages may have a common

origin in the distant past, the DNA Haplotype differences between the Southern and the New England Strong lineages are far

enough apart to establish that there is no relationship within a genealogically significant timeframe.

Reference to the Strong DNA Project Results page,

shows the differences between the haplotypes for various

lineages for which there have been test participants. Comparing the first 25 markers for the New England and the Southern

lineages, and using FTDNA's preferred method of calculating genetic distance, there is a genetic distance of as much as 7

between the apparent Modal Ancestral Haplotypes for the two lineages.

Referring to FTDNA's guidance page at:

http://www.familytreedna.com/GDRules_25.html

one finds a genetic distance of 7 over 25 markers indicates the lineages are totally unrelated, although we should assume

they allow for the progenitor of the R1b1 haplogroup to qualify as a common ancestor . That is somewhat akin to saying all

R1b1 haplogroup members are descended from "Adam and Eve R1b1", and is genealogically insignificant. Even if the genetic

distance was only 5, they probably still did not share a common ancestor during the past 5,000 years. Thus, even if there was

a common male ancestor in the far distant past, he was not even a Strong, since surnames have only been in use for the

last 800 years or so.

Relationships of Southern Lineages Tested for Y-DNA:

GENERATION # 12

GENERATION # 11

GENERATION # 10

GENERATION # 9

GENERATION # 8

GENERATION # 7

GENERATION # 6

GENERATION # 5

GENERATION # 4

GENERATION # 3

GENERATION # 2

GENERATION # 1

Data here based on research by the participant

William Strong

and available reference materials.

dob: c1606 in England

dod: c. 1675 in James City VA per Rolff

NOTE: Both James R. Rolff and the late Robert

m: ?

T. Strong, Jr. have published their research

Note: above is believed to be accurate by Jim Rolfe

on John Strong, Sr. of New Kent Co., VA.

and other researchers

Rolfe's work was published in 1982, and updated

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in 2007. See: "Strong Family of Virginia and

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Unknown son, Strong

Other Southern States", 2007 Revised, by J.R. Rolfe.

dob c.1630 based on Rolff

See the notes at the following website for

dod: ? New Kent Co., Virginia?

information on purchase of Rolfe's 2007 edition:

m: ?

Three Chapters, from the 1982 edition, by J.Rolff

Note: above is believed to be accurate by Jim Rolfe

Robert T. Strong's discussion of the subject was

and other researchers

published by The Strong Family Association of

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America, in their Volume V of the 1996 Update

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John Strong, Sr

edition of "Strong Family Histories", Library of

dob before 1667 per RTSjr; about 1675 per Rolff

Congress Catalog Card No. 74-24925; see pp262-480.

dod after 1703 per RTSjr, New Kent Co., Virginia?

m: 1697 Mary Sherwood [b. 1675

One should be aware there are significant differences

d. 1713 St. Peters Parish, VA]

between the findings of Jim Rolfe and R.T. Strong;

Note: above is believed to be accurate by Jim Rolfe

likely only additional research will resolve those

and other researchers

differences.

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John Strong (Jr.)

Note: Another researcher, Hurst, compiled a family

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b. bef. 13 Nov 1698, New Kent County, Virginia

history of the Strongs several years ago that named a

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d. bef. 1752, Hanover County, Virginia

Daniel Strong who came from Ireland as the original

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m: Mary [Strong?]

Strong immigrant to America. The researcher in

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Kit#176710 has a copy of the Hurst book; he comments

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Martin Strong

that "it seems pretty accurate back to William Strong

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Note: See

F27 in Jim Rolfe's book, but before that I think Rolfe

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Chart #8314

has the correct line."

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Y-Search # ???

The Y-DNA test results in Kit#176710 definitely show that

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Note: See SFAA Vol.6, p.285, 286

the Breathitt Co., KY, Strong lineage is alligned with the

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other "Southern" Strongs. There is NO documentation or

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other evidence showing these Strongs originated in Ireland.

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John Strong III

Indeed, the existing weight of evidence tends to indicate

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dob 17???, Hanover Co., VA ??? per RTSjr

an English or Scottish place of origin for the "Southern"

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dod May 1815, probably Clark Co., GA

Strongs.

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m: Elizabeth [Turnbull?, b.c1739, Scotland?]

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David Strong

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dob c.1774, Goochland Co., VA

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dob: after 1850, probably Giles Co., Tennessee

SEE:

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m: 30 May 1794, Lucretia Irvine [b.c.1774-d.18???]

DNA Note #17

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Note: See SFAA Vol.6, p.286

DNA Note #9

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SEE Related DNA Participant Kits:

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Thomas Strong

#5834

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dob: 1806

#6663

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dod: 18 ??

#6809

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m. 1st? Polly Matilda Wood

#8314

m. 2nd? Lydie Loving

#89018

William Strong ("Old William")

Thomas had eleven children.

#131215

dob. 5 Jan 1701, New Kent County, Virginia

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#176710

dod:.after 1770, Pittsylvania County, Virginia

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John Putman Strong

#81040 [Graham]

m: Phyllis Cape

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dob: 1835

SEE also Y-Search #s:

He was probably the 2nd son of John Sr

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dod: 1911

YKCNG

Note: above is accurate according to Jim Rolfe

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m. ?

3EZ2Q

and other researchers

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John Augustus Strong

And See:

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Thomas Strong

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dob: 1866

My Line of Southern Strongs

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dob. 16 Dec 1739, Hanover County, Virginia

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dod: 1942

by Robert E. Strong

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dod: c. 1775, place unknown

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m. ?

and

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m:c.1768, Elizabeth Lewis [b. 1754, d. after 1830]

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Strong Family History Page

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He was the 2nd son of William

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William Chauncy Strong

by David Comer Strong

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Note: above is accurate according to Jim Rolfe

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dob: 1896

[scroll down to linked chapters]

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and other researchers

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dod: 1954

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Note: See SFAA Vol.6, p.285, 288-289, and

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m. ?

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See Introductory Note at:

| son by Lydie Loving

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The Strong Family of the Upper Cumberland Valley

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Hiram Newton Strong

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NAME WITH-HELD:

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dob: 18???

STRONG

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dod: ???

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William Strong

m. ?

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#131215 STRONG

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dob. 1768, Hanover County, North Carolina

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Y-Search # ???

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dod: c. 1848, Breathitt Co, Kentucky

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Living Descendents at 10 Nov 2008

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m: Jennie Callahan [b. Virginia 1770,

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d. 1815 in Breathitt Co Ky of childbirth]

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Note: William and Jennie were living in

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Holston Springs VA and migrated to

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Breathitt Co, Ky in about 1803 along with

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their sons Edward and William Jr

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Note: William is the William F27 referred to

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in Rolfe's book. He was the first son of Thomas.

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Note: See SFAA Vol.6, p.288, 431, and

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Note: Above information is fact known to

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researcher in Kit#176710.

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Note: See also note to the left <<<<<<<<<<<------

See Note: ---------->>>>>>>>>>>>>>

<<<<<<<<<<<----------->>>>>>>>>>>>>>

<<<<<<<<<<<---------->>>>>>>>>>>>>>-

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Note, Researcher thinks some people get confused

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in "that William Strong F27 in Rolfe's book had a son

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Edward Callahan Strong

named William Jr after himself, and also a son named

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dob. 1791, Rockingham Co, VA

Edward Callahan Strong. Then that Edward C Strong

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dod: 13 March 1869, Breathitt Co, Kentucky

named a son after his brother Willam Strong, and in

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m: Elizabeth Spencer [b. Virginia 1792,

turn William Jr named a son Edward Callahan Strong

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d. 11 Nov.1874, Breathitt Co, Ky]

after his brother. So they ended up with two Edward C

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Note: Edward was the eldest son of William.

Strongs and two Willam Strongs in the same generation.

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He is G5 in in Rolfe's book.

In this second set of William and Edward Strongs were

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Note: See SFAA Vol.6, p.431, and

the infamous Captain Bill Strong ( Union ), and Edward

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Note: Above information is fact known to

became the noted ( Red Ned) Strong (Confederate).

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researcher in Kit#176710.

Capt Bill was murdered in 1897. Red Ned was a judge of

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Breathitt Co for several years.

<<<<<<<<<<<------

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Alexander Strong

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dob: 21 Feb.1836, Perry Co, Ky

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dod:15 March 1912, Lee Co, Ky

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m: Sarah Chambers [b. 3 Mar 1840,

<<<<<<<<<<<------

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Wolfe Co, Ky, d.13 May 1890, Lee Co, Ky]

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Note: Alexander was the 3rd son of Edward.

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He is H73 in in Rolfe's book.

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Note: See SFAA Vol.6, p.431, and

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Note: Above information is fact known to

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researcher in Kit#176710.

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Josepth Strong

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dob: 2 Dec.1862, Owsley Co, Ky

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dod: 9 Jun 1932, Lee Co, Ky

<<<<<<<<<<<------

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m: Elizabeth Creech [b. 4 Aug. 1864

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Owsley Co, Ky, d.4 April 1953, New York]

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Note: Josepth was the oldest son of Alexander

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Chester Strong

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dob: 6 Feb.1886, Lee Co, Ky

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William [Captain Bill] Strong

dod: 20 Nov.1969, Jefferson Co, Ky

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dob. 14 Dec1825, Breathitt Co?, KY

m: Victoria Miller [b. 12 Mar. 1896

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dod: 9 May 1897, Breathitt Co, Kentucky

Lee Co, Ky, d. 1972, Hamilton Co., Ohio]

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Note: See SFAA Vol.6, p.431 & 432

Note: Chester was the oldest son of Alexander

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See also note to the left <<<<<<<<<<<------

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[Name Withheld] Strong

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dob:

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William Strong

dod:

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dob. 179_?, Rockingham Co?, VA

m:

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dod: 18__?, Breathitt Co, Kentucky

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m: ?

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#176710 STRONG

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Y-Search # ???

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Edward [Red Ned] Callahan Strong

Note: DYS 576=20 vice 19

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dob. 18__?, Breathitt Co?, KY

Could this marker be unique

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dod: 18???, Breathitt Co, Kentucky

to the Breathitt Co. Lineage

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See also note to the left <<<<<<<<<<<------

descended from Wiliam Strong, son

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of Thomas Strong [Generation 8 here]?

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Samuel Strong

Compare chart & notes re

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dob: February 4, 1777, Pittsylvania Co., VA

Kit #89018

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dob: c. 1850, Missouri

also apparently descended from

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m: twice:1st Nancy Casteel, 2nd Jean "Jenny" Casteel

Thomas Strong thru Thomas Strong, Jr.,

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Note: See SFAA Vol.6, p.289, 437, and

where DYS576=19, suggesting that

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Chart #6663

DYS576=20 may may be limited to later

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"The Strong family of the Upper Cumberland Valley."

generations of William's descendents

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Y-Search # ???

in the Breathitt Co. lineages.

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Thomas Strong, Jr.

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dob. c.1778, Rockingham Co., North Carolina

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dod: after1820, probably Scott Co., Virginia