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Stark Family Y-DNA Project Newsletter, Vol. 2012; Report 5

Prepared by Clovis LaFleur; July 13, 2012

This newsletter will discuss Project activities from July 13 to September 19 in the year 2012. Project Membership is presently 92. We have 87 members who have been tested over 12 markers; 79 tested over 25 Markers; 70 over 37 markers; and 19 over 67 markers. A total of 7 have been Deep-Clade tested. Presently , we have 11 Groups with several of these having subgroups. We're hoping to add members from Europe for comparisons and would like to see more members join who descend from: Dr. Richard Starke of York Co., VA (Group 2a); Archibald Stark of New Hampshire (Group 2b);  the Fort Ann, Washington County, New York Families (Group 9); and the Georgia Families (Group 6). Also, it would be interesting to see more members with known German (Group 8) and Canadian ancestry join. Following are Links to Titles in this Newsletter.

 

Interesting Developments

Y-DNA Results

 

 


Interesting Developments - 5

Group 1a/Group 1b Genetic-Genealogy Comparison

Genetic results over 67 markers for Kit #206763, a descendant of Aaron Stark, Jr., son of Aaron Stark [1608-1685], became available for analysis 08/27/2012. He was a perfect match to Kit #165568, a descendant of Aaron, Jr.'s brother, William Stark. #206763 is the first descendant of Aaron Stark, Jr. to be tested over 67 markers. #165568 (E1) and #206763 (S3) both have a genetic distance of zero when compared to the Group 1 Modal Haplotype over 67 markers. They are direct descendants of two different sons of Aaron Stark [1608-1685] — suggesting the 67 marker Modal Haplotype is the same as the Aaron Stark Ancestral Haplotype — that is, Aaron Stark [1608-1685] most likely would have had the 67 Marker Modal Haplotype for Group 1. Click HERE to review these results on the 67 Marker Results web page.

E1 results are presented in Row (E1) in Group 1a while S3 results are presented in Row (S3) in Group 1b. Members of Group 1a are descendants of William Stark, a son of Aaron Stark [1608-1685]; while members of Group 1b are descendants of Aaron Stark, Jr., a brother of William and different son of Aaron Stark [1608-1685]. Genealogy has confirmed S3 is a 9th generation descendant of Aaron Stark [1608-1685]; while E1 is an 11th generation descendant. Averaging this to the 10th generation, I would presume any males along either of these independent lines of descent would have a high probability of having the same Y-DNA results in generations 9, 10, and 11. Considering the offset in generations, there is a 99.41% probability S3 and E1 share a most recent common ancestor within 10 generations; a 99.81% probability within 11 generations; and a 99.89% probability within 12 generations.

 

A Close Genetic match of a Taylor Surname to a Stark Surname

 When the results of #206763 were reported, FTDNA Reported he had a 62/67 with Jorge Taylor (#119104), a member of the Taylor Family Project. there was correspondence between Kit #206763 (Allan Stark) and the #119104 Kit sponsor, Mark Taylor Edwards.  Over 67 markers, they had a genetic distance of 5. On September 9, I received a notice from FTDNA Jorge Taylor, #119104, had joined the Stark Family Y-DNA Project. Jorge had earlier joined the Taylor Family Y-DNA Project and is a member of the R1b-15 Group in that Project. In the Stark Project, Alan is a member of Group 1b: Descendants of Aaron Stark, Jr.; son of Aaron Stark [1608-1685]. From the message Mark Taylor Edwards sent to Alan on September 6, I would presume Mark added his cousin, Jorge Taylor, to the Stark Project. Therefore, at this time, let me welcome Mark and Jorge to the Stark Family Project.

Before I continue, let me introduce Ralph Taylor, an Administrator of the Taylor Family Y-DNA Project. We have corresponded on a number of occasions on general subjects related to Y-DNA Analysis and the Taylor family. My Great-Grandmother was Hopie Taylor, daughter of Abraham Taylor [1792PA-1860MO] and Hopestell Hardister [1816TN-aft.1870AR]. Hopie [1856MO-1933LA] married Clovis LaFleur [1858MO-1937LA], my great-grandfather.

The 67 marker Y-DNA results of Jorge Taylor (#119104) were reported by FTDNA to have a 62/67 match ratio (Genetic Distance of 5) to Alan Stark (#206763). Other members of the Taylor Project R1b-15 Group tested over 67 markers had genetic distances of 8 or greater when compared to Alan and were not reviewed by me. Jorge Taylor had the Modal Haplotype for this small group in the Taylor Project. Several months ago, Ralph Taylor sent me a message indicating he had observed Jorge Taylor had a similar result with another member of the Stark Project, James E. Stark (#165568). Alan's results over 67 markers were recently completed (08/27/2012) and compared to James Stark, both being a perfect 67/67 match ratio over 67 markers and a genetic distance of Zero. I have used the FTDNA TIP Time to the most recent common ancestor (TMRCA) calculations.

This Rich Text Format file entitled, "Stark/Taylor Genetic-Genealogy Comparisons," is a discussion of the genetic comparisons of Jorge Taylor, Alan Stark, and James Stark. While a somewhat lengthy discussion, I thought this would be an excellent example of how close matches of persons with different surnames are genetically compared, how the FTDNA TIP calculations are used, and the importance of genealogical and genetic results in determining the most recent common ancestor of persons with the same surname and with persons having different surnames.  While not always the case, most different surname comparisons having rather close genetic matches result in the determination the most recent common ancestor lived before surname usage became established, or, in this case, before the English Poll Tax was introduced in 1373.

 



Y-DNA Results July 13, 2012 to September  19, 2012

 

#206763 (AlanStark,  67 Marker Results)

Genetic results over 67 markers for Kit #206763, a descendant of Aaron Stark, Jr., son of Aaron Stark [1608-1685], became available for analysis 08/27/2012. He was a perfect match to Kit #165568, a descendant of Aaron, Jr.'s brother, William Stark. #206763 is the first descendant of Aaron Stark, Jr. to be tested over 67 markers. #165568 (E1) and #206763 (S3) both have a genetic distance of zero when compared to the Group 1 Modal Haplotype over 67 markers. They are direct descendants of two different sons of Aaron Stark [1608-1685] — suggesting the 67 marker Modal Haplotype is the same as the Aaron Stark Ancestral Haplotype — that is, Aaron Stark [1608-1685] most likely would have had the 67 Marker Modal Haplotype for Group 1. Click HERE to review these results on the 67 Marker Results web page.

 

#247428 (Harry James Stark 37 Marker Results)

This is being sponsored by Cynthia Raub, a sister of Harry James Stark. Genetic results over 37 markers became available for analysis 08/23/2012. #247428 (N3) is a perfect match to the 37 marker Haplotype of Group 1. His genealogy suggests he descends from Aaron Stark [1608-1685] through his son William Stark (Senior) and grandson, Christopher Stark (Senior). N3 is the first descendant of Christopher's son Aaron Stark {1734-1778] to be tested. His perfect match to the 37 Modal Haplotype and #78078 (M), a descendant of Christopher Stark (Senior) through Christopher Stark (Junior), suggests Christopher Stark (Senior) most likely had the 37 Marker Ancestral Haplotype. Click Here to review the detailed genealogy of #247428. Click HERE to review his genetic results.

 

 



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Stark Family Y-DNA Project Newsletter, Vol. 2012; Report 4
Prepared by Clovis LaFleur; July 13, 2012

This newsletter will discuss Project activities from June 23 to July 13 in the year 2012. Project Membership is presently 88. We have 84 members who have been tested over 12 markers; 76 tested over 25 Markers; 67 over 37 markers; and 17 over 67 markers. A total of 6 have been Deep-Clade tested. Presently , we have 11 Groups with several of these having subgroups. We're hoping to add members from Europe for comparisons and would like to see more members join who descend from: Dr. Richard Starke of York Co., VA (Group 2a); Archibald Stark of New Hampshire (Group 2b);  the Fort Ann, Washington County, New York Families (Group 9); and the Georgia Families (Group 6). Also it would be interesting to see more members with known German (Group 8) and Canadian ancestry join. Following are Links to Titles in this Newsletter.

 

Project Business & Correspondence

 

Interesting Developments

 

Y-DNA Results




Project Business & Correspondence

 

Glasgow Scotland Visit

Robert Starke, a Group 2a descendant of Dr. Richard Starke, visited Scotland in Early June. He did some research on his Starke family at the Mitchell Library in Glasgow. The Librarian assisted him and located a microfiche entitled: "Index to Christenings in Glasgow." Robert hand copied every entry (about 100) prior to 1700, looking for anyone pertaining to Dr. Richard Starke (who arrived in VA in 1690). It is possible these records are digitized, but the Librarian did not know. Robert did not find any records pertaining to Dr. Richard Starke, but lots of other related names to the surname Starke. Robert's conclusion was Dr. Richard Starke did not live in the Glasgow region, at least was not recorded in this Index over the time period the records were searched. You can see Robert's lineage and contact info by clicking HERE.

 

Group 6c: Descendants of Abner Stark of Georgia

#241988 recently ordered a 37 marker kit and provided a lineage to his earliest known ancestor. While awaiting his results, Group 6c was temporarily created for placement of the lineage of #241988. 37 Marker Results posted 06/29/2012 revealed he is a genetic match to members of Group 2, descendants of the Scottish Killermont Stark Families. Therefore, Group 6c has been discontinued and #241988 has been placed in Group 2d. Click HERE for a more detailed explanation.



Interesting Developments

 

Group 2e: Genetic Matches to Subgroups 2A, 2B, & 2C with Kelly Surname

This Group was created when N6868 joined the project. His surname was Kelly and his 67 Marker results had a 66/67 match ratio when compared to the H67 Modal Haplotype for Group 2. #171929 (G2c) is a descendant of James Stark [1695-1754] and is a perfect 67/67 match ratio to the H67 Modal Haplotype. Mr. Kelley reported his earliest known ancestor was William S. Kelley, born in Ireland in 1738 and died in 1824.  There is a low probability of 94.86% he shares a common ancestor with #171929 within 8 generations and a high probability of 99.99% he shares a common ancestor with #171929 within 20 generations. It is possible N6868 and #171929 share a common ancestor who lived before surnames were fully established (between the years 1200 and 1500); or there was a surname change from Stark to Kelly after a Stark family moved from Scotland to Ireland (about 1620 to 1720). No genealogy has been been available.

July 3, 2012, the 67 markers results for another member with the surname Kelly were completed. Mr. Kelly2 (#226545) reports his earliest known ancestor was William Stark Kelly, born in 1739 and died in 1824. #226545 reported William's place of birth as unknown. When compared to N6868, #226545 had a match ratio of 66/67. When #226545 was compared to the H67 Modal Haplotype of Group 2, he had a perfect 67/67 match ratio. When compared to #171929, a descendant of James Stark [1695-1754], there is a low probability of 98.96% he shares a common ancestor with #171929 within 8 generations and a high probability of 100.00% he shares a common ancestor with #171929 within 20 generations. Therefore, if they have an common ancestor, he may have lived between 7 and 19 generations earlier.

N6868 and #226545 appear, genetically, to most likely be descendants of William Stark Kelly, whom they could share as a common ancestor. It would also seem they a common ancestor with Members of Group 2c, descendants of James Stark, this common ancestor most likely living prior to the generation of James Stark and, perhaps, within genealogical time. If prior to genealogical time, then the common ancestor most likely lived between the year 1200AD to, perhaps, the year 1400AD. If the middle name of the ancestor of #226545 was indeed Stark, then there must be some connection between this Kelly paternal branch and the Scotland Stark families of Killermont. More genealogy is needed to better understand the genetic connection of this Kelly surname to the Stark surname. Click HERE to compare their 67 marker results to other members of Group 2.

 

Group 2d: Descendants of James Stark [1695-1754] of Stafford Co., VA / Genealogy Incomplete

In the previous Newsletter, #241988, a descendant of Charles Troup Stark ordered a kit. From his genealogy, he was temporarily placed in Group 6, descendants of Old Georgia Stark families not related to other Groups in the project. The 37 marker results for #241988 became available for analysis 6/29/2012. These results revealed #241988 is genetically a match to members of Group 2, descendants of the Scottish Killermont Stark families. This would be the first Georgia family, to date, that has been genetically linked to one of the earlier Stark Families, most like James Stark [1695-1754] of Stafford County, Virginia. Based on this result, Group 6c has been discontinued and #241988 has been placed in Group 2d, primarily because the genealogy is incomplete at this time.

#241988 has well documented genealogical documentation indicating Charles Troup Stark [1854-1933] was born in Georgia. Researchers of this family have found circumstantial evidence Charles may have been a son of William Stark who married Rachel Jenkins November 7, 1847, in Carroll County, Georgia. They were reported living in nearby Cobb County in the 1850 census. Additional genealogical research implies William was the son of Abner Stark and spouse, Alsey (Unknown) Stark.  The following two records report they lived in Habersham County and Carroll County.

 

Source Citation: 1830 US Census; Census Place: Habersham, Georgia; Page: 58; NARA Series: M19; Roll Number: 18; Family History Film: 0007038.
Name: Abner Hark [Abner Stark]
Free White Persons - Males - Under 5: 2 / 30 thru 39: 1
Free White Persons - Females - Under 5: 2 / 5 thru 9: 2 / 30 thru 39: 1
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Source: Carroll County Georgia Church New Hope Primitive Baptist (1829-1867)
URL: http://files.usgwarchives.net/ga/carroll/churches/newhope2.txt
MAR. 25, 1832: ABNER STARK and his wife AILSEY STARK Received By Letter from Providence in Habersham Co., dated Dec. 10, 1831.
JUNE 22, 1833: ABNER STARK and WIFE Dismissed By Letter

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Recently, the project found a descendant of Thomas H. Stark, a probable son of Abner Stark, who was genetically tested by Ancestry. com. Over the FTDNA markers that could be compared, this descendant of Thomas (Labeled by the project as #A-Private) had a 31/32 match ratio to #241988, genetically suggesting they may share Abner Stark as a common ancestor. That Thomas and William were brothers is further genealogically confirmed by a Carroll County marriage record reporting Thomas H. Stark married Sarah Ann Jenkins April 30, 1848 in Carroll County. Both William and Thomas, brothers who most likely married sisters, are recorded in the nearby Cobb County 1850 census. As will be reported under Y-DNA Results, another descendant of Charles Troup Stark, #245962, has ordered a 37 marker kit.  #245962 and #241988 are descendants of two different sons of Charles.

The descendants of Charles Troup Stark continue their genealogical research based on these suggested genetic connections. Click HERE to see there detailed lineage. Click HERE to see their Genetic results. 

 

 



Y-DNA Results June 23, 2012 to July  13, 2012

 

#241988 (Roger Allen Stark, 37 Marker Results)

Test results over all 37 markers were available 06/29/2012. Based on the genealogy he submitted, Group 6c, descendants of Abner Stark, was temporarily created due to the connection to Georgia. His results revealed #241988 has genetic connection to members of Group 2, Descendants of the Scottish Killermont Stark Families. He is most likely a descendant of James Stark [1695-1754] of Stafford County, Virginia (Group 6c). While the descendants of Charles Troup Stark research the genealogical connection to Members of Group 2, #241988 will be placed in Group 6d, Genetic matches to Members of Group 6c, Genealogy Incomplete. Click HERE to see his Genetic Results. Click HERE to see his detailed Genealogical lineage.

 

#245962 (Donald Raymond Stark; New Member Joined 06/17/2012)

FTDNA estimates the Y-DNA37 Kit results for #245962  will be available for review 08/10/2012. He is also a descendant of Charles Troup Stark from a different son than the lineage of #241988.  Click HERE to see his detailed lineage in Group 2d.

 

#226545 (William Milner Kelly, Jr; 61-67 Marker Results)

His complete 67 marker results were available 07/03/2012. When compared over 67 markers to N6868, another project member with the surname Kelly in Group 2d, there was a genetic distance of 1. For a more detailed analysis of his results relative to N6868 and Members of the project with the surname Stark, click HERE.

 

 

 

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Stark Family Y-DNA Project Newsletter, Vol. 2012; Report 3
Prepared by Clovis LaFleur; June 23, 2012

This newsletter will discuss Project activities from May 25 to June 23 in the year 2012. Project Membership is presently 87. We have 82 members who have been tested over 12 markers; 75 tested over 25 Markers; 66 over 37 markers; and 17 over 67 markers. A total of 6 have been Deep-Clade tested. Presently , we have 11 Groups with several of these having subgroups. We're hoping to add members from Europe for comparisons and would like to see more members join who descend from: Dr. Richard Starke of York Co., VA (Group 2a); Archibald Stark of New Hampshire (Group 2b);  the Fort Ann, Washington County, New York Families (Group 9); and the Georgia Families (Group 6). Also it would be interesting to see more members with known German (Group 8) and Canadian ancestry join. Following are Links to Titles in this Newsletter.

 

Y-DNA Comparisons, A TMRCA Lesson

 

Y-DNA Results May 25, 2012 to June  22, 2012

 

 

 

Y-DNA Comparisons, A TMRCA Lesson

When two persons in the project are compared, the Administrators use the FTDNA TIP Report to determine the Time To The Most Recent Common Ancestor (TMRCA). Many mistakenly believe the resulting probability values can precisely identify the Generation in which the common ancestor lived. However, the TIP report specifically reports: "the probability that A and B shared a common ancestor WITHIN the last x number of generations is xx.xx%." If for example, the TIP report states the probability A and B shared a common ancestor WITHIN the last 12 generations is 99.99%; it simply means there is a 99.99% probability the common ancestor  lived BETWEEN Generation 1 and Generation 12. To determine in which of these generations the common ancestor lived requires genealogical research.

TMRCA is a statistical calculation based on Haplotype and Marker mutation rates and the number of STR (Short Random Repeat) Markers available to make the comparison of A to B.  Fewer markers will lower the probabilities over, for example, 24 generations, while adding Markers increases the probabilities over the same generations. This is best illustrated in the following chart showing the TRMCA probabilities over 24 generations for PERFECT MATCH comparisons over 12, 25, and 37 STR Markers. Comparisons with less than Perfect Matches over these markers result in lower probabilities.

 

 

Y-DNA testing CANNOT: 1) Tell you who your ancestors are without comparing your genetic results to others; 2) Tell two participants precisely who their common ancestor is, even if they are perfect genetic STR matches; 3) Tell you precisely, even if the matches are perfect (or near prefect), the precise generation in which their common ancestor lived; nor 4) Precisely prove a specific paper trail.

 

Y-DNA testing CAN: 1) Indicate you and another participant with the SAME SURNAME share a common ancestor within genealogical time (defined as the time AFTER surnames were established in about 1400AD, or on average within 20 generations); 2) Provide an approximation how far back your common ancestor lived depending on the strength of the genetic match and availability of a genealogical paper trail; 3) Provide genetic evidence that unconnected genealogical lines are genetically connected depending on the strength of the genetic comparison; and 4) Provide genetic proof two genealogical lines ARE NOT connected within genealogical time.

 

As examples of what Y-DNA testing can do, our Project has proven a number of Group 1 unconnected genealogical lines share Aaron Stark [1608-1685] as a common Ancestor. The Project has also genetically proven members of Group 1, when compared to members of Group 2 (Killermont Stark Families), could not  have shared a common ancestor within thousands of years, contrary to earlier genealogical claims they all shared John Muirhead (Alias John Stark ) as a common ancestor in the fifteenth century. Finally, the three unconnected genealogical lines in Group 2 have genetically been proven to most likely share a common ancestor within genealogical time, although the identity of that ancestor is not known with certainty, but could most certainly, as genealogical research suggests,  share John Muirhead (Alias John Stark) as a common ancestor in the fifteenth century. These are a few examples of the Project successes in determining TMRCA. 

 

 



Y-DNA Results May 25, 2012 to June  22, 2012

 

#89006 (John Starke: Upgrade to 67 markers)

Test results were available 06/04/2012. In Group 4: Descendants of Col. John Starke, #89006 and #149455 were a perfect match over the H37 haplotype; resulting in a 99.99% probability they share a common ancestor who lived within 20 generations. The H37 haplotype comparison of #78032 and #149455 reveals they have three mismatches and a genetic distance of 3. There is a 96.97% probability they share a common ancestor who lived within 20 generations. This comparison confirms #89006 is related to #78032 and #N47628; and all members of Group 4 have a common ancestor who lived within 20 generations. The genealogy of #149455 has been confirmed to be John Wyatt Starke [1796-?1860?] but the genealogical connection to Col. John Starke has not been found. The perfect match of #149455 to #89006 over 37 markers further confirms the two share a common ancestor, most likely Col. John Starke. #89006 has now been upgraded to 67 markers; the only member of Group 4 tested over 67 markers. His results over 67 markers can be reviewed in Group 4 on the 67 Marker Results Web Page.

 

#241988 (Roger Arlen Stark: New Member Joined 05/22/2012)

Y-DNA37 Kit for #241988 was received at FTDNA 06/06/2012. FTDNA estimates his results will be available for review 07/20/2012. His lineage can be reviewed on the Other Group Lineages Web Page under Group 6c: Old Georgia Stark Families; Descendants Abner Stark, Carroll Co., GA.

 

#194718 (William L. Higgs: New Member Joined 06/08/2012)

194718 (L1) has the surname Higgs and reports he recently found out he was adopted. He originally joined the FTDNA supported project entitled: "The Global Adoptee Genealogy Project." His Y-DNA67 genetic results are a perfect 37 and 67 Marker match to 75156 (L), a member of Group 1a. #194718 has been assigned to Group 1a with the Letter ID Code (L1).

Genetically, the FTDNA Tip comparison of L1 to L results in a 98.96% probability they share a common ancestor within the last 8 generations; or could share William Stark (third) as a common ancestor. There is a 99.81% probability L and L1 share Aaron Stark [1608-1685] as a common ancestor within 11 generations. Click HERE to see his 67 marker genetic results. Click HERE to see his 37 Marker Results.

The identity of L1's paternal parent and direct male ancestral line cannot be genealogically determined with certainty at this time. Because L shares Aaron Stark [1608-1685] as a common ancestor with other members of Group 1 (Click HERE to see proof); it is genetically probable L1 most likely shares Aaron Stark [1608-1685] as a common ancestor with members of Group 1. It is also genetically probable  L1 shares William Stark (Third) as a common ancestor with #75156 within 8 generations. Click HERE to review the lineage of #194718 (L1) and #75156 (L) presented directly above.

 

#245962 (Donald Raymond Stark: New Member Joined 06/17/2012)

Y-DNA37 Kit for #245962 was ordered 06/17/2012 and mailed by FTDNA 06/18/2012. Awaiting return to FTDNA before reporting an estimated date for Results.

Genealogical research suggests #245962 and #241988 share Charles Troup Stark as a common ancestor, as presented in the Group 6c lineage report for #241988. Because of the Georgia ancestry suggested, Group 6c has been temporarily created until the Y-DNA results are available. #245962 and #241988 are descendants of two different sons of Charles Troup Stark.

 

 

 

 

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Stark Family Y-DNA Project Newsletter, Vol. 2012; Report 2
Prepared by Clovis LaFleur; May 25, 2012


This newsletter will discuss Project activities from May 5 to May 25 in the year 2012. Project Membership is presently 85. We have 80 members who have been tested over 12 markers; 73 tested over 25 Markers; 64 over 37 markers; and 16 over 67 markers. A total of 6 have been Deep-Clade tested. Presently , we have 11 Groups with several of these having subgroups. Below is a Chart of the Project Joins beginning in the year 2005, when the Stark Y-DNA Project was started. Interest has been  a bit on the increase this year and a number of present members have ordered Marker Upgrades. We're hoping to add members from Europe for comparisons and would like to see more members join who descend from: Dr. Richard Starke of York Co., VA (Subgroup 2a); Archibald Stark of New Hampshire (Subgroup 2b);  the Fort Ann, Washington County, New York Families (Group 9); and the Georgia Families (Group 6). Also it would be interesting to see more members with known German (Group 8) and Canadian ancestry join.




Project Related Revisions

Over the next several months, most of the Project web pages will be revised to simplify and reduce redundancy; thereby reducing my time to update the revisions that come about when new members join, upgrades occur, or new pages are added. Following are a few of the simple changes. Very soon, I will have to create several Results Pages and additional member lineage pages to reduce the size of these files. I will let the membership know when these occur. Following are several minor changes that have been implemented.  

 

Revisions to Group 6

In the last Newsletter, I reported the creation of Group 11; Descendants of Old Georgia Stark/Starks/Starke Families. When reviewing the project groups, I found that Group 6: Descendants of Thomas Starke [1724-1794], had Old Georgia Ancestors. We have a new member, #241988, who has joined the project that also has Old Georgia ancestors. Based on these developments, I have created a new Group 6: Descendants of Old Georgia Stark/Starks/Starke Families. Three subgroups have been created as follows

 

Group 6a: Descendants of Thomas Starke [1724-1794], born in Virginia

Group 6b: Descendants of Benjamin Stark [1774-1815], born in Greenville, Augusta Co., VA

Group 6c: Descendants of Abner Stark, b. 1790-1800, d. 1832-1840 in Carroll Co., GA

 

Group 6c is temporary until results for #241988 are available for analysis. Because results are not available at this time, Group 6c results will not be presented until available. However, his Genealogical Lineage is available for review in Group 6 of the Other Member Lineages Web Page

Group 12 has been renamed Group 11: Stark Participants Not Assigned to Group [No Matches or/& no Genealogical Data available]

 

Revisions to the 37 Marker Results Web Page

Minor changes have been made to the "37 Marker Y-DNA Test Results," web page.   Subgrouping designations have been changed to, for example; within Group 1, a subgroup is now labeled Group 1a and Group 1b. This change has been made to all Groups.

Note at the top of this Web Page the "News Archives" link has been added to this web page. This is a new web page that will archive the project newsletters by year (2012 in this case).

 

 

 



Y-DNA Results May 3, 2012 to May 25, 2012

#226545 (William Milner Kelly: New Member joined 05/17/2012)

Mr. Kelly is a member of the FTDNA Kelly surname Project. His 37 marker Haplotype is a 37/37, 36/37, and 35/37 match ratio to several members of Group 2, in particular, members of Group 2c; descendants of James Stark of Stafford County, VA. Due to these close matches, Mr. Kelly has joined the Stark Project. #226545 also has a match ratio of 36/37 to another member of our project with the surname Kelly (#N6868, Charles William Kelly in Group 2e). #226545 joins N6868 in the results for Group 2e, persons with Genetic Matches to Groups 2a, 2b & 2c; but  having different surnames. In reviewing pending lab results, #226545 has a 67 marker test  waiting fro results for Markers 61 through 67, due June 8, 2012. His comparison to N6868 and other members of Group 2 over 67 markers will be interesting.

All members of Groups 2a, 2b, & 2c are believed to be descendants of the Scottish Killermont Stark Families of 1600-1700; the Killermont families most likely are descendants of John Muirhead who was given the name John Stark by a grateful King James IV of Scotland for saving him from the charge of a bull. When #226545 is compared to #74402 (Group 2c), they are a perfect match over 37 markers.  When compared to each other, there is a low probability of 97.28% they share a common ancestor within 8 generations and a high probability of 99.99% within 20 generations. These results suggests #226545 could be a descendant of John Muirhead or one of the descendant branches from John Muirhead (alias John Stark).

The earliest ancestor #N6868 (surname Kelly) reports, lived in Ireland and had the surname Kelly. A genetic comparison of #226545 to N6868 results in a low probability of 88.33%  they share a common ancestor within 8 generations and a high probability of 99.87% within 20 generations; the same probabilities when N6868 is genetically compared to #74402 in Group 2c. Having no genealogy for #226545 at this time, it's not known for certain his earliest known ancestor lived in America; or earlier in Ireland.

 

#241988 (Roger Arlen Stark: New Member joined 05/22/2012)

Kit for #241988 was ordered 05/22/2012 and mailed by FTDNA 05/23/2012. Awaiting return to FTDNA before reporting an estimated date for Results.

The lineage presented in Group 6c is not known with certainty earlier than Charles Troup Stark. Circumstantial evidence suggests William Stark who married Rachel Jenkins, may have died before or soon after the birth of Charles Troup Stark. Rachel may have married J. McBride before 1860. The Cass County, Texas 1860 census reports Chas Stark, age 6, living in the home of J. McBride. This census reports he and his older brother, 8 year old Jesse Abner Stark, were born in Georgia, as was a 28 year old female, M. McBride, believed to be the mother of the Stark Brothers. Because of the Georgia ancestry suggested, Group 6c has been temporarily created until the Y-DNA results are available.

 

#89006 (John Starke: Upgrade from 25 to 37 markers)

Test results were available 05/21/2012. In Group 4: Descendants of Col. John Starke, #89006 and #149455 were a perfect match over the H37 haplotype; resulting in a 99.99% probability they share a common ancestor who lived within 20 generations. The H37 haplotype comparison of #78032 and #149455 reveals they have three mismatches and a genetic distance of 3. There is a 96.97% probability they share a common ancestor who lived within 20 generations. This comparison confirms #89006 is related to #78032 and #N47628; and all members of Group 4 have a common ancestor who lived within 20 generations. The genealogy of #149455 has been confirmed to John Wyatt Starke [1796-?1860?] but the genealogical connection to Col. John Starke has not been found. The perfect match of #149455 to #89006 over 37 markers further confirms the two share a common ancestor, most likely Col. John Starke. #89006 has an Upgrade test from Marker 38 through Marker 67 pending; estimated to be completed 06/04/2012. Click here to see his 37 marker results.

 

N56748 (Michael Clint Stark: Upgrade to 67 Markers)

Test results over markers 26-37 were available 05/21/2012. All results from the upgrade are now available. Over Markers 38-67, N56748 has, relative to the Aaron Stark Modal Haplotype over these Markers, a mutation at Marker 64 (DYS572). Of the 7 members of Group 1 tested over Markers 38-67, this has been the only observed mutation relative to the Aaron Stark Modal Haplotype over these markers. Over 37 markers, N56748 was a perfect match to #154414; both having an allele value of 14 at Marker 30 (DYS456). Relative to the H37 Modal haplotype value of 15 at this marker, both have one mutation, although both are a perfect 37/37 match ratio to each other. Both share John Stark [1763-1841] as a common ancestor. N56748 descends from John's son, Daniel, while #154414 descends from a second son of John named Henry. This suggests John Stark [1763-1841] may have had the same mutation at Marker 30. While N66901 (with Kelly surname) does not have this mutation and descends from a third son of John named Isaac; in a generation in the N66901 descent from Isaac, there may have been a back mutation from 14 to the Modal value of 15.

Comparisons of N56748 over the H37 and H67 Haplotypes further confirm his relatedness to members of Group 1.


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Stark Family Y-DNA Project Newsletter, Vol. 2012; Report 1
Prepared by Clovis LaFleur; May 4, 2012

 

This newsletter will bring the membership up to date from January to May 4 on the project activities during the year 2012. Project Membership is presently 83. We have 79 members who have been tested over 12 markers; 72 tested over 25 Markers; 63 over 37 markers; and 15 over 67 markers. A total of 6 have been Deep-Clade tested. Presently , we have 12 Groups with several of these having subgroups. Group 1 has the largest number of members with The largest number of participants, 32, have been placed in Subgroups 1a & 1b, descendants of two sons of Aaron Stark [1608-1685] of New London County, Connecticut.  This Newsletter has been organized into sections as follows:

 

Y-DNA Results January 1, 2012 to May 2, 2012

Y-DNA Groups Added 2011-2012

New Web Pages Added in 2011 and 2012

 

 


 

Y-DNA Results January 1, 2012 to May 2, 2012

Following are results posted for new members who joined this year and results for present members who ordered Y-DNA upgrades this year.

 

#233230 (Richard J. Stark)

He was a perfect match over 37 Markers to the Group 1 H37 Modal Haplotype and predicted by FTDNA to belong to Haplogroup R1b1a2. He was aware of his genealogy back to his gg-grandfather, James Wallace Stark [1844-1912]. Our Project genealogical research volunteers found his obvious genetic connection to Aaron Stark [1608-1685], the common ancestor of all Group 1 project members. The research revealed the parents of James Wallace Stark were most likely Aaron Stark [1804-1864] and Mary Hunt, residents of Erie County, Ohio; who moved from Seneca County, New York in about the year 1830 or before. #233230 has been placed in Subgroup 1b, descendants of Aaron Stark (Junior) [1654-1701], son of Aaron Stark [1608-1685]. Before the move to Seneca County, New York, the father of Aaron Stark [1804-1864], Isaac Stark [1758-1824], lived in Morris County, New Jersey. The lineage for #233230 can be found on the Group 1 Lineage WebPage.

 

#111445 (Michael Thomas Starks)

Ordered a Y-DNA Upgrade to 37 Markers. His FTDNA results were available 5/2/2012. Michael is a 1st cousin of #137905 (Charles L. Starks) in Group 3, descendants of Zerubabel Starks. The Mother of #111445 is a sister of the Father of #137905; but the legal surname of #111445 is Starks. As expected, his Y-DNA does not match those in Group 3; although he is a descendant of Zerubabel Starks through his mother. According to the FTDNA database, over 37 markers, #111445 has a genetic distance of 1 from a person with the surname Terrell and a genetic distance of 4 from a person with the surname Hutchens; the only surname matches reported by FTDNA with 4 or less mismatches over 37 markers. #111445 has been placed in Subgroup 3B; Other Descendants of Zerubabel Starks [1760-1800] of Robertson County, Tennessee.

 

#230493 (Robert Eugene Starks)

Ordered a Y-DNA25 test kit. His results over 25 markers were reported 5/2/2012. He was a perfect match to the Group 1 H25 Modal Haplotype; descendants of Aaron Stark [1608-1685]. Due to the genealogy submitted by #230493 and researched by our genealogical research volunteers, he has been placed in Subgroup 1A, descendants of William Stark [1664-1730]. #230493 and #78077 (Don Stark) share Enoch Stark [1794-1864] as a common ancestor and are a perfect match over Markers 1-12, but differ at Marker 21 (DYS449] over Markers 13-25. In comparing over the Y-DNA25 markers, which show 1 mismatch, the probability that (230493) and (78077) shared a common ancestor within the last 11 generations is 71.48%; and share a common ancestor within the last 20 generations is 93.74%. An upgrade by #230493 to 37 markers would most likely improve both generation probabilities. In comparing members with the Group 1 H25 modal haplotype, whom are a perfect match to (230493), the probability that (230493) and these Group 1 Members shared a common ancestor within the last 11 generations is 92.58%; and a common ancestor within the last 20 generations is 99.12%. This genetic comparison provides sufficient confidence #230493 shares Aaron Stark [1608-1685] as a common ancestor with other members in Group 1.

 

#232326 (Homer Marshall Stark)

Ordered a Y-DNA37 test kit. His completed test results were reported 4/19/2012. His results indicate he is a descendant of a Stark Family not genetically represented in our Project at this time. Over 37 markers, the genetic distance of #232326 is 13 or greater when compared to all other members of the Project. When compared to Project Member #82072, a descendant of Zerubabel Starks (Group 3), the genetic distance is 13 and there is a 10.26% probability they share a common ancestor within 20 generations. Therefore, they could not have shared a common ancestor within genealogical time (defined as after surnames were established in the 13th & 14th centuries in Western Europe), nor within thousands of years. FTDNA has predicted the Haplogroup of #232326 is R1b1a2.

Could all the Georgia Stark/Starks/Starke families be descendants of one common ancestor Benjamin Stark/Starks [b. 1774, Augusta Co., VA - d. 1815, Orange Co., NC]? We cannot answer this question until we have results from other men with Georgia ancestral links and the surname Stark/Starks/Starke. #232326 is clearly not a genetic descendant of James Stark of Stafford County, VA, nor of Dr. Richard Starke of York County, VA, nor any other known Stark/Starks families in our project originating in Virginia. This suggests there were more unrelated Stark families in Early Virginia (before 1800) than the previous genealogical research has identified.

#232326 will be our first Project Member genetically and genealogically identified as a descendant of Benjamin Stark/Starks born in Greenville, Augusta County, Virginia in the year 1774, who will, hopefully, be joined by others in the future. Because this is a new Stark family branch, Group 11 has been created and labeled: "Descendants of Old Georgia Stark/Starks/Starke Families." [Note: Group 6, descendants of Thomas Starke, most likely born 1724 in Louisa Co., VA; has one descendant branch that arrived in Georgia between 1770 and 1816 (Progenitor Phillip Jones Stark). Located in Walton and Whitfield Counties. No genetic relation to #232326 after genealogical time. Groups will be kept separate until more members join that genetically match members of Groups 6 & 11.]

 

N56748 (Michael Clint Stark)

Upgraded from Y-DNA12 to Y-DNA67. Results have been reported for the additional markers accept for Markers 26-37. Markers 38-47, 61-67, 48-60, and 13-25 have been completed and reported as of 3/29/2012. FTDNA estimates Markers 26-37 will be available 5/21/2012. N56748 is a member of Subgroup1a, Descendants of William Stark (Senior) [1664-1730]. His H25 Haplotype is a perfect match to the Aaron Stark H25 Modal Haplotype. Over Markers 38-67, N56748 has, relative to the Aaron Stark Modal Haplotype over these Markers, a mutation at Marker 64 (DYS572). Of the 7 members of Group 1 tested over Markers 38-67, this has been the only observed mutation relative to the Aaron Stark Modal Haplotype over these markers. This upgrade from 12 markers has further confirmed N56748 shares Aaron Stark [1608-1685] as a common ancestor with other members of Subgroup 1B.

 

228697 (John Albert Stark)

Ordered a Y-DNA37 test kit. His completed results were reported 3/1/2012. #228697 has been predicted to have the SNP mutation placing him in the R1a1 Haplogroup. His genealogy reports his earliest known ancestor was born in 1823 in West Prussia. This ancestor arrived in the US sometime after 1850. He has a genetic distance of 17 from #140291, a predicted member of the same Haplogroup.  #228697 has been placed in Group 8, Descendants of German Immigrants to the US. Within this Group he has been placed in Subgroup 8C, German Descendants in Haplogroup R.

 

180952 (Ralph J Stark)

Upgraded from Y-DNA12 to Y-DNA37. #180952 has been tested over 37 markers, his results available 2/21/2012. He is a perfect match to the Aaron Stark Modal Haplotype for Group 1. This result confirms he shares Aaron Stark [1608-1685] as a common ancestor through one of his sons, William Stark (Senior) or Aaron Stark (Junior). However, no genealogy has been submitted at this time to determine from which son #180952 descends. He has been placed in Subgroup 1C; Genetic Matches to Subgroup 1A & 1B / Surname Stark / Genealogy Incomplete.

 

 

 


Y-DNA Groups Added 2011-2012

Group 8: Descendants of German Heritage
Group 8 is comprised of members whose direct male ancestor was of known German Heritage. The project objectives for this group is to: 1) find genetic matches; 2) possible place where a direct male ancestor lived in Germany; and 3) evaluate the various Haplogroups that may occur. To date, three Haplogroups have been identified. Two members H37 Haplotype comparison suggested a possible common ancestry, but comparisons over all of the Markers were not available. Any combination of Comparisons of members in this group results in genetic distances suggesting their common ancestor lived many thousands of years earlier than the present. Differences in the Primary Haplogroups E, G, and R further suggests a common ancestor who lived greater than 10,000 years earlier.

 

Group 9: Descendants of Ft. Ann, Washington County, New York Stark Families
Members of this Group have genealogy suggesting they are descendants of Stark families that lived in Ft. Ann, Washington County, New York. They were expected to have genetic results placing them in Group 1 or Group 2. However, thus far, this Group of participants has not been found to be genetically close to any members of the project, the exception being #203166; genetically confirmed to be a descendant of Aaron Stark and related to members of Group 1. There may be a non-paternal explanation. However, this has now occurred in this specific region of New York State twice. Will be looking for future participants who have ancestors who live in this region to see if this is a trend or if we find matches between any participants in Group 9.

 

Group 11: Descendants of Old Georgia Stark/Starks/Starke Families
Genetic results for participants who report lineage from Georgia ancestors, will be placed in Group 11; unless their genetic results clearly compare favorably with other Groups in the Project. #232326 is now a representative of a previously unknown early American Stark Family in our project, believed to be descendants of one Benjamin Stark/Starks born in Greenville, Augusta County, Virginia in the year 1774. #232326 is clearly not a descendant of James Stark of Stafford County, VA, nor of Dr. Richard Starke of York County, VA, nor other Stark/Starks families originating in Virginia. Benjamin's son, Benton Stark/Starks was most likely born in about 1797 in either Wake County or Orange County, North Carolina ,and, after his marriage to Nancy Goodson in 1825, moved to Clarke County, Georgia and later to nearby Jackson County, Georgia. Over 37 markers, #232326 has a genetic distance of 13 or greater when compared to other members of the project. When compared to #82072, a descendant of Zerubabel Starks (Group 3), the genetic distance is 13 and there is a 10.26% probability they share a common ancestor within 20 generations. Therefore, they could not have shared a common ancestor within genealogical time (defined as after surnames were established in the 13th & 14th centuries in Western Europe), nor within thousands of years. Could the Georgia Stark/Starks/Starke families be descendants of one common ancestor? More participants from men with the surname Stark who descend from Georgia Stark families will need to be tested to answer this question and others. [Note: Group 6, descendants of Thomas Starke, most likely born 1724 in Louisa Co., VA; has one descendant branch that arrived in Georgia between 1770 and 1816 (Progenitor Phillip Jones Stark). Located in Walton and Whitfield Counties. No genetic relation to #232326 after genealogical time. Groups will be kept separate until more members join that genetically match members of Groups 6 & 11.]

 

 

 


New Web Pages Added 2011-2012

Group 8: Y-DNA Analysis Stark Descendants of German Heritage

Introduction

Group 8 is comprised of members with direct male lineage to a male Stark ancestor who was an immigrant from Germany to another Country or presently lives in Germany. The project objectives for this group are to: 1) find genetic matches; 2) possible place immigrated from in Germany; and 3) evaluate the various Haplogroups that may occur. Subgroups for Group 8 have been created based on the predicted or confirmed Haplogroup of each member. This organization of members of Group 8 will allow placement of members in subgroups that will more likely have genetic matches. When persons with different Major Haplogroups are compared to each other, there will be zero probability they shared a common ancestor after surnames were established in Europe in the 14th & 15th centuries. Further, the most recent common ancestor they could have shared lived more than 10,000 years before the present.

 

Group 9: Analysis of Descendants Fort Ann, Washington Co., NY Stark Families

Abstract

The presence of men named Stark or Starks in Washington County, New York was first documented after the Revolutionary War. Genealogical research has suggested they were descendants of General John Stark or his Father, Archibald Stark, residents before the war of New Hampshire. Other Stark families known to be living in the region were descendants of Aaron Stark [1608-1685] of Connecticut. Genealogical research has focused on the Washington County families being descendants of one of or both of these families.

Those in Group 9 having 37 marker results and genetically compared to each other, have been found to have not shared a common male ancestor named Stark within Genealogical time. [Defined as the time period after 1400 to the present when surnames have been fully established.] This has been unexpected, suggesting all are descendants of unrelated Stark families that lived in the region at the time of the Revolution.

The purpose of this analysis is to review the excellent genealogical research submitted by the members of Group 9, present their genetic results for analysis, and attempt to understand there meaning relative to these members and the other members of the project. Much of the early genealogical documentation to be presented adds and "s" to the surname Stark. Some of their descendants later dropped the "s." The documentation spelling of the surname will be presented as found. Based on the discussion that follows, the lineage of Member C has been revised.

 

Group 1 Genetic Genealogy Analysis; Part III: Aaron Stark's Ancestral Roots; A Theory

Abstract

At the time this theory was prepared for publication, twenty-six men with the surname Stark or Starks have — genetically and genealogically — been proven to share Aaron Stark (1608-1685) as a common ancestor. Seven members were 37/37 matches to each other over their H37 Haplotypes (Markers 1 through 37).[1] In Parts I & II, the triangulation method devised by Charles F. Kerchner, Jr. was employed to define the H37 Ancestral Haplotype of Aaron Stark (1608-1685). In the genetic literature, a Modal Haplotype is composed of the most common Allele values observed at each marker over a specific haplotype. The H37 Ancestral Haplotype and the H37 Modal Haplotype of Aaron Stark's descendants has been observed to be identical.

Two descendants of Aaron Stark (Kits #N17289 & #48711) have been confirmed to be members of Haplogroup R1b1a2a1a1a* — this result predicting all of the descendants of Aaron genetically tested will be members of the same Haplogroup (FTDNA's shorthand notation is R-U106).[2] The purpose of this article will be to compare the Modal Haplotype of Aaron's descendants to persons in the FTDNA database genetically confirmed to be members of Haplogroup R-U106 — none of whom will have the surname Stark. In particular, the focus will be on participants reporting the geographical location of their earliest known ancestor in the British Isles or Western Europe. The combination of geographical information and genetic comparisons will then be analyzed to attempt to determine Aaron's ancestral roots. [In the publication that follows, the H37 Modal Haplotype of Aaron's descendants will be designated as the Aaron Stark Modal Haplotype (shorthand notation will be ASMH).]

There has been much speculation about the ancestral roots of Aaron Stark which have not been satisfactorily answered. Part of the problem has been the belief of earlier researchers that Aaron Stark was a descendant of John Muirhead (alias John Stark). The account of John Muirhead saving King James IV from the charge of a bull and given the name Stark as a result of his bravery, was first presented in the 1903 Stark Family Association Yearbook.[3] On page 15 of the Yearbook, there is a poem entitled, “Story of the Origin of The Stark Name.” The events depicted in this poem came from an account by Sir George Mackenzie [1636-1691]; which tells the story of how John Muirhead was given the name John Stark by a grateful King James IV of Scotland.[4] On Page 21 of the 1903 Yearbook, there can be no doubt the membership believed they were all descendants of John Muirhead. In the preamble to the Association's Constitution, they stated:

“In order to form a more perfect union and to become more closely identified with each other, We, the descendants of one Muirhead, a Scotchman, to whom King James the Fourth gave the name of Stark (meaning strong) for his great bravery, do hereby adopt the following as the constitution of the Stark Family.”

The Stark Family Y-DNA Project has found genetic evidence the descendants of Aaron and those most likely to be descendants of John Muirhead, could not have shared a common ancestor within 3,100 to 3,900 years.[5] Because Aaron Stark clearly was not a descendant of John Muirhead (alias John Stark), then, perhaps, after 100 years of looking in Scotland, the time has come to look elsewhere for Aaron's ancestral roots — the beginnings of this search based on the DNA evidence to be presented.

 

67 Marker Y-DNA Results

 

 Latest Project Newsletter

Rather than send lengthy e-mail messages on the latest activities, the latest activities will posted on the Stark Family Y-DNA Project Web Site. Members will be contacted by e-mail when new information is available with a link to this page reported in the message. We will also send a message to the Stark Messages boards.


 

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Disclaimer

The project administrator and webmaster is yours truly, Clovis LaFleur.  I am a volunteer and receive no financial remuneration of any kind from Family Tree DNA, nor am I one of their "web affiliates" (i.e., I don't profit from "click throughs").  I'm retired and genealogy is my hobby and is not my business. As a Project Administrator and webmaster I am not responsible for the genealogy material provided by members nor am I responsible for the Test Results publicly reported by FTDNA. The analysis of results prepared and presented by me on this web site are based on my interpretation of the Y-DNA results published and the genealogy provided by the project members. Discussion of my analysis with members and others will always be welcome.