Vol. 4 No. 2 – December 1999
Greetings:
I hope all of you had a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
Two days ago I got a very nice present from a lady that is not a descendant of the Van Bibber family, but since a distant cousin of her Eggers family married into the Van Bibber family of Greenup Co., KY (Elizabeth Van Bibber, daughter of James and Sarah (Bradburn) Van Bibber married Elbert Theodore Eggers) she came by a photo of James Van Bibber of Greenup Co., KY and Kalkaska, MI. For those of you who don’t know about James Van Bibber, he is one of the few individuals that we, including the expert, Gary R. Hawpe, cannot connect to his or her parents.
The reason I mention this is that some of you may want a copy of the photo. I would be more than willing to send you one as an attachment to an e-mail. I do not have the capability to print the photo out to a photo quality printer. I still use an HP 600C and the quality is not that great. Let me know if you would like a copy sent by e-mail attachment.
We now have two hundred and seventy-two subscribers.
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CONTENTS
New Subscribers and Corrections of
Address
Success Story
Obituary Of Margaret Elizabeth Cawood
Home Page Of Don Hockaday
Home Page Of William C. Wheeler
Another Success Story
Allen Potts Home Page
Rootsweb Url
Tennessee Confederate Pension Applications
: Soldiers And Widows
Obituary Of Rebecca (Van Bibber) Smith
Kenneth Smith’s Ancestry And An Open
Letter
Lord Dunmore’s War Web Page And Greenbrier
County West Virginia’s Web Page
Ancestry Of John David Poff
Bedburg-Hau
Ancestry Of Terry Fulfer
The Original 13 Germantown Settlers Mail
List
Another Success Story
Yoakum – Van Bibber Contact
Earliest Settlers Of Germantown
Queries
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NEW SUBSCRIBERS
Regina Roper (shkgclmt@gnv.fdt.net)
Lynn Cawaood (lcvolsfan@gateway.net)
Chuck Van Bibber (Cvanbibber@aol.com)
Alec Poff (a.g.poff@worldnet.att.net)
Sarah Poff (stpoff@yahoo.com)
Jim Brown (jbrown35@attglobal.net)
Allan Elliott (Ellio2@aol.com)
Jean Freund (jfreund@webtv.net)
Margie Krystofiak (SQZINN@aol.com)
CORRECTION OF ADDRESS
Susan Snyder (gss4224@msn.com)
Janet Weeks (JCW222@aol.com)
Sandy Wyatt (swyatt@mesa.k12.co.us)
Terry Fulfer (tlgtr33@yahoo.com)
Faith Bishoff (fbishoff@futureone.com)
Bev Tout (Bevtout@aol.com)
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By Chris Hankins (hankinschris@hotmail.com)
Bruce Logan (blogan@zoomnet.net)
And Gary R. Hawpe (GRH9999@aol.com)
Hello Bruce,
I visited your web site but couldn't find any information that relates to Emerson Van BIBBER and Lusetta CRAWFORD. She was b. 1877 in Winterset, Madison Co, IA and as a young girl moved with her family to Shawnee Co, KS. I'm sure she was married to Emerson somewhere in that vicinity - if not Shawnee Co, perhaps Douglas Co. KS.
I would be appreciative if you can point me to any information
on this couple; as you can see, I have very little to go on. In
the early 1900's many of Lusetta Crawford VanBibber's family lived
in the Morris-Chase-Lyon County areas of Kansas, southwest of
Shawnee Co; but I have not been able to find Emerson VanBibber.
Best Regards,
Chris Hankins
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Bruce,
I will contact Chris and see where I might help. Below is the
lineage of James Emerson VAN BIBBER.
Isaac VanBibber and Hester Op den Graeff
Jacob Isaacs VanBibber and Christina ____________
Isaac Jacobs VanBibber and
Frances Schumacher
Peter VanBibber
and Anna ___________
Peter
VanBibber, Jr. and Marguery Bounds
Jacob
VanBibber and Sarah Miller
Solomon
VanBibber and Mary Jane Bryson
James
Emerson VanBibber and Luzetta Crawford
Gary R. Hawpe.......Iwakuni, Japan
Chris Hankins
Bruce Logan
Gary R. Hawpe
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OBITUARY OF MARGARET ELIZABETH CAWOOD
By Gary R. Hawpe (GRH9999@aol.com)
Lynn CAWOOD, one of our new subscribers, just informed me his
mother passed away on Thursday after a long battle with emphysema.
Our sympathy goes out to the CAWOOD family.
Isaac VanBibber and Hester Op den Graeff
Jacob Isaacs VanBibber and Christina ______________
Isaac Jacobs VanBibber and
Frances Shumacher
Peter VanBibber
and Anna ______________
Isaac
VanBibber and Sarah Davis
John
VanBebber and Margaret Chrisman
Isaac
VanBebber and Mary Martin
Nancy
Malinda VanBebber and Canada Hodges Rogers
Louisa
Ann Rogers and Stephen Harrison Cawood
Ravan
V. Cawood and Lily Jones
Harrison
Houston Cawood and Margaret Elizabeth Brewer
Margaret Elizabeth CAWOOD
Margaret Elizabeth Cawood, 70, of Heiskell, died Thursday, Dec. 30, 1999, at Methodist Medical Center of Oak Ridge.
Mrs. Cawood was a member of Deep Springs Baptist Church in Heiskell.
She was born in Claiborne County on May 9, 1929.
Mrs. Cawood is survived by her husband, the Rev. Harrison H. Cawood; two sons, Ronald Cawood of Heiskell and Lynn Cawood and his wife, Kim, of Knoxville; and her daughter, Beverly Shipley of Heiskell.
She is also survived by her mother, Cora Rucker Brewer of Heiskell; three brothers, Gene Brewer and his wife, JoAnn, of Heiskell, R. J. Brewer and his wife, Ann, of Pennsylvania, and Jerry Brewer and his wife, Judy, of Marietta, Ga.; her sister, Joyce Nolan of Heiskell; and by her grandchildren, Hope Shipley and Richard Shipley, both of Heiskell.
A graveside service was to be held at 2 this afternoon, Dec. 31, at Sartin Cemetery in Heiskell.
Friends may call at their convenience at Holley-Gamble Funeral
Home in Clinton.
http://www.oakridger.com/stories/123099/obi_1230990080.html
Gary R. Hawpe
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By Don Hockaday (hockaday@panam.edu)
Descendants of Edmund Hockaday
http://www.panam.edu/dept/csl/hockaday/Edmund_tree.html
Don Hockaday
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HOME PAGE OF WILLIAM C. WHEELER
By William C. Wheeler (wheelerwc@zianet.com)
Here is my current URL: http://www.zianet.com/wheelerwc/
William Clarence Wheeler
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By Allen Potts (allenp19@idt.net)
And Bruce Logan (blogan@zoomnet.net)
----- Original Message -----
From: Debbie and Bill Whittaker <dwhittaker@home.com>
To: <Original13@listbot.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 12:31 AM
Subject: RE: T.H. Potts
The Original 13 Germantown Settlers -
http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/cavendish/693/
In following the thread that Bill sent to Cathey...
I have this Daniel POTTS md 25Oct1721 to Sarah SHOEMAKER (,
b: 22 May1698), daughter of Peter SHOEMAKER and Margaret OP DE
GRAEFF. Their
children were listed as Samuel, Daniel and Rebecca. After Daniel's
death in 1729,
Sarah md2 to James DILWORTH and had children Elizabeth, Margaret,
William,
Jonathan, Nicholas and James.
Does anyone have supporting details for these relationships?
Thanks!
Debbie
Deborah Lukens Whittaker
Lake Forest, CA
dwhittaker@home.com
http://members.home.net/lukens/jan/intro.htm
ALWAYS looking for additions and corrections!!
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From: William A. Collins[SMTP:WilliamCollins@unforgettable.com]
Sent: January 03, 2000 5:12 PM
To: Original13@listbot.com
Subject: RE: T.H. Potts
The Original 13 Germantown Settlers – http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/cavendish/693/
Cathey,
You may be interested in Daniel POTTS, b.19 Apr 1698, Bristol Twp., Bucks Co., PA d.1729 Germantown, PA son of David POTTS c1670-1730 by Alice CROASDALE, 1673-bef.1729 marr. to a Sarah SHOEMAKER.
I don't have her parents at this point, nor a descent of Daniel/Sarah.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
Fro, m: Cathey1229@aol.com
[mailto:Cathey1229@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2000 5:54 PM
To: Original13@listbot.com
Subject: T.H. Potts
The Original 13 Germantown Settlers -
http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/cavendish/693/
Hello,
I have posted to this list in the past month or so trying to find information on a Sarah Shoemaker, who married into my Eaton line in 1686 and was supposed to be the cousin of Peter Shoemaker. I received much helpful information and wish to thank members of the list for it.
Today, I am posting on something very different. I have noticed
the surname
POTTS surface on this list occasionally, but did not think they
were connected with my family in any way. However, I have been
interested for some time in obtaining a manuscript written by
a T.H. (or T. M.) Potts, called "Our Family Ancestors",
which contains information about the Eaton line during the early
days of Philadelphia. A few days ago, it occurred to me that this
T.H. Potts might be connected to the Potts of this list.
Does he sound familiar to anyone?
Cathey
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Bruce Logan wrote:
Allen,
Do you know if this is correct?
Bruce
Bruce E. Logan Jr.
2234 Concord Dr.
Wheelersburg, OH 45694-9169
blogan@zoomnet.net
Van Bibber Pioneers: http://www.zoomnet.net/~blogan
Owner: Van Bibber List - Van_Bibber-L.request@rootsweb.com
Owner: Penland List - Penland-L.request@rootsweb.com
ICQ No. 12054124
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Bruce,
This is correct and the information can be found in the book "The Potts Family in Great Britain and American," 1901 Thomas Maxwell Potts.
The Text of this book can be found on my web site. URL list below.
al
http://www.genweb.net/~leesue
Allen Potts
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By Allen Potts (allenp19@idt.net)
Bruce I would appreciate the link. Thanks for your interest.
al
http://www.genweb.net/~leesue
Allen Potts
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By Elaine Blackman (lebalckman@bellsouth.net)
www.rootsweb.worldconnect.com
Elaine Blackman
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TENNESSEE CONFEDERATE PENSION
APPLICATIONS : SOLDIERS AND WIDOWS
By Elaine Blackman (leblackman@bellsouth.net)
http://www.state.tn.us/sos/statelib/pubsvs/pension.htm#index
NAME: Vanbiber, Jacob
PENSION #: S6482
COUNTY: Hardin
UNIT: 1st Tex. Legion (Cav.)
NAME: Baber, C.C. (I don't know whether this is one or not.)
PENSION #: S13696
COUNTY: Cheatham
UNIT: 9th Bn. (Bennett's) Cav.
Elaine Blackman
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OBITUARY OF REBECCA (VAN BIBBER) SMITH
By Darrell Smith (darrell@pulpgen.com)
Identification:
Isaac Van Bebber & Hester op den Graeff
Jacob Isaac Van Bibber & Christina
Isaac Jacob Van Bibber &
Veronica
Peter Van
Bibber & Ann
Peter
Van Bibber, Jr and Marguery Bounds
Jacob
Van Bibber and Sarah Miller
Ezekiel
Van Bibber and Susan Rice
Rebecca
Van Bibber and Benjamin Preston Smith
Ironton Evening Tribune, Ironton, (Lawrence Co.) OH
Volume 13, Number 321, Page 3
Monday, November 19, 1928
Rebecca Smith
Mrs. Rebecca Smith, age 81 years, widow of the late Benjamin Smith, died Sunday evening at the home of her son James Smith of Cheap, (Greenup Co.), KY. Death came after a long illness.
Mrs. Smith's husband and five children preceded her in death. The following children survive: Mrs. Laura Connell of Columbus, John Smith, James Smith of Cheap, Mrs. Marretta Burgess of R(rest is unreadable), Charles of Cheap, Frank of Delbarton, W. Va., Robert of Cheap, Joshua and William of Raceland.
Funeral services will probably be held Tuesday with burial
in Palmer Cemetery under the direction of Carman Bros.
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Here's another one for the VB Newsletter. It's for Rebecca, two days after the original obituary.
Ironton Evening Tribune, Ironton, (Lawrence Co.) OH
Volume 3 or 13, Number 323, Page 3
Wednesday, November 21, 1928
OBITUARY
SMITH
Funeral services for Mrs. Rebecca Smith were held at the Cheap, Ky. M. E. church Tuesday afternoon with Rev. Thom officiating. Burial was made in Palmer cemetery under the direction of Carman Brothers.
Pall bearers were Paul, James, Elwood, Clancy, Forrest and Charles Smith, all grandsons. Granddaughters served as flower girls, Mabel, Thelma, Mary, Norma, Eva Lucille, Helen, Rose Smith, Garnet Marie Sullivan and Loretta Watts
Darrell L. Smith
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KENNETH SMITH’S ANCESTORY AND AN OPEN LETTER
By Kenneth Smith (sgtssmith@worldnet.att.net)
If you would like to put this in the newsletter, go ahead. It might even cause more people to send in newsletter articles.
I am a relative newcomer to the Van Bibber/Op den Graff family
lines, and only learned of the Van Bibber Family Website a few
months ago. I have been avidly browsing through the information
in the archived newsletters however, sort of like a kid in a candy
shop, finding so many new ancestors. My family, before I discovered
your website, was: (On the Van Bibber side)
Isaac Van Bebber & Hester op den Graeff
Jacob Isaac Van Bibber & Christina
Isaac Jacob Van Bibber &
Veronica
Peter Van
Bibber & Ann
John
Van Bibber & Chloe Standiford
Miriam
Van Bibber & John Reynolds
Ellicott
Reynolds & Elizabeth Howe
Elizabeth
Van Reynolds & James R. Smith
Percy
Howe Smith & Angeline Middaugh
Raymond
Percy Smith & Violet Mathews
Kenneth
Ray Smith
While I haven¹t done any new research, I have noticed that there seems to be a great deal of confusion out there, especially in the Op den Graff line. I spent some time trying to straighten out some of the more obvious mistakes, and I thought it would be a good idea to put out something for everyone to look at and brainstorm. Possibly we could at least come up with some sort of consensus about the earlier information.
There already seems to be agreement that the earliest Op den
Graff was Herman of Aldekirk, born 26 Nov 1585. He married Grietje
Pletjes of Kempen in that town on 16 Aug 1605. She was born in
Kempen in 1588, but the dates are all over on her birth. Herman
died in Krefeld on 27 Dec 1642, Grietje died in Jan 1643, probably
in Krefeld. This couple had a great number of children in Krefeld,
possibly as many as 18, but only 7 or so lived to maturity.
(1) Hester, b. 1609, m. Isaac Van Bibber...This daughter is the
first Op den Graff link to the Van Bibbers.
(2) Abraham, b. 17 Jul 1610, m. Eva Von der Leyen, 21 Aug 1641.
(3) Trinken, b. 15 Feb 1612, d. 15 Dec 1658.
(4) Isaac Hermans, b. 1 Sep 1616, d. 17 Jan 1679...This son is
the link to the next generation. He is sometimes called Herman
Isaacs, but the naming patterns would seem to indicate his name
should be what is written. Some sources give his wife as Grietgen
Pieters, but this sounds so close to his mother¹s name that
I¹m not sure. Some say her name was Janson. She is supposed
to have emigrated with her sons to America, and died shortly after
her arrival, in Philadelphia, on 19 Nov 1683.
(5) Derick, b. Oct 1621, d. 14 Apr 1655.
(6) Aletgen, b. 1623, d. Apr 1706.
(7) Susanna, b. 15 Oct 1629, bur. 9 Mar 1714.
The next generation of Op den Graff is Isaac. Some sources
give his death as 1669, but I think that 1679, closer to the sons
leaving for America, makes more sense. There seem to be only 4
children, all apparently born in Krefeld.
(1) Derick Isacks, b. c. 1642, m. Noleken on 20 Mar 1681 in Krefeld,
d. May 1697, probably in America.
(2) Herman Isacks, b. c. 1643, m. first Lisbet Van Bibber, second
Deborah Van Bibber, d. 2 May 1704 in Kent Co., Del....This son
is the second link to the Van Bibbers. He married first his sister¹s
daughter, and after her death, he married second his sister¹s
son¹s daughter. He apparently had children by both wives.
The one daughter we are concerned with here, Margaret, was b.
c. 1667, possibly in Krefeld, probably the daughter of his first
wife Lisbet. Margaret m. Peter Schumacher on 6 Feb 1697 in Abington,
Pa.
(3) Abraham Isacks, b. c. 1645, m. Trijnte Jansen in Aug 1679
and d. 1731.
(4) Margaret, came with her brothers to America.
I know that there are other links between the Op den Graff and Van Bibber lines, but I looked at only these. I should add the information that has been posted about Herman Op den Graff¹s wife, Grietje Pletjes of Kempen. Her father was Driessen Pletjes of Kempen, b. c. 1555, m. Adelheid Goebels in Kempen on 13 Dec 1584. He d. 22 may 1608 in Kempen. Adelheid d. c. 1615. They had another daughter besides Grietje, Alet, who married a Jasper and was an ancestor of William Penn. Adelheid¹s father was Sylli Goebels, b. c. 1531 in Kempen.
Kenneth Smith
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LORD DUNMORE’S WAR WEB PAGE AND GREENBRIER COUNTY WEST VIRGINIA’S WEB PAGE
By Judy Hopkins (JNAHOPKINS@prodigy.net)
Thought the VanBibber list might be interested in this site.
----- Original Message -----
Fro, m: Sara Patton <sarap@widomaker.com>
To: <WVGREENB-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 6:36 AM
Subject: [WVGREENB] Dunmore's War-Battle of Pt. Pleasant
Ed Marsh found a great site on the Library of VA page for microfilm images of the military pay records for Dunmore's War (Battle of Pt. Pleasant -1774) in which many men from Greenbrier (then Botetourt Co) fought. Capt. Mathew Arbuckle's Company is listed on pp. 173-176 with many Muddy Creek names George See, Peter Shoemaker, John Hardy, George Yokum, William & John Morris, McClung, Viney and others. The Vanbebbers are listed in a couple of places: Augusta Co and Fincastle Co. Same guy can be listed in different companies and counties so check the index. It's kind of tedious to work through the cards for your particular name but easy to get the hang of it. You have to download the Tiff Viewer (it gives directions how) to retrieve actual document.
Address to the index is:
http://198.17.62.51/collections/DW.html
Address to Arbuckle's company (p. 173) begins on
http://198.17.62.51/cgi-bin/drawer?retrieve_image=DW&offset=+183&page=173&
reel=001
Thanks for sharing this Ed.
Sara Patton
==== WVGREENB Mailing List ====
Visit the Greenbrier County, USGenWeb
Home Page! <http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvgreenb/>
Judy Hopkins
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By Sarah Poff (stpoff@yahoo.com)
Isaac VanBibber and Hester Op den Graeff
Jacob Isaacs VanBibber and Christina ______________
Isaac Jacobs VanBibber and
Frances Shumacher
Peter VanBibber
and Anna ______________
Isaac
VanBibber and Sarah Davis
James
VanBebber and Hannah Hoover
Isaac
VanBebber and Hannah Long
Hannah
Marguarete VanBebber and Charles Cornelius Poff
James
Poff and Martha AnnCoffey
John
Franklin Poff and Myrtle Roudebush
Ernest
Franklin Poff and Retha Maxine Hise
Alec
Gordon Poff and Sarah Tucker
John
David Poff
Sarah Poff
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By Anna L. Lutz (Alutz@juno.com)
I am sending some information that was brought back from Germany or Holland by Raymond Van Bibber of Germany, in 1996, sent to the nephew of Hazel Van Bibber, Perry, Oklahoma, USA, now deceased. It is entitled, "Bedburg-Hau".
Bedburg-Hau, used to be called, "Bebber" (Hebber), it is a very old town in Germany. There is another town in Holland, that was called Bebber, that was founded by Jacob Isaacs Van Bebber. Bedburg-Hau, is probably, where the name first came from.
The journey from Kalkar, to Bedburg-Hau, passes over a road, that poses a small problem for cyclists, because it goes uphill. The foothills of an end moraine provide for gentle ups and downs in Bedburg-Hau. The ridge is without doubt one of the essential reason why Bedburg-Hau, has become a favorite residential area in Kreis Kleve.
The almost 750-year-old town, has always faced up to its importance, as it has always been the cultural and economic center of the Neiderrhein. Outstanding is the historic contributions made on a large scale by the Prince Of Nassau, in the 17th century.
The district possesses in Moyland Castle, a cultural monument of the first order. It will take many years before this old castle, remarkable for it architecture, will be fully restored.
The exceptionally scenic appeal of the district has been the reason for many to build their own homes in Bedburg-Hau.
Bedburg, in German. Betebur (1138), Beddebur (1143), Bedeber, Bedbere, Beeder (1537), Daraus entstand auch der neiderrheinische Familienname "Van Bebber". Bebber or Heber was located in the Dutchy of Cleves, (Germany).
I saw that the article by Dr. Max Van de Sandt, article mentioning, Bedburg, I hope all of the members will enjoy reading this.
Anna Lutz
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By Terry Lynn Fulfer (tlgtr333@yahoo.com)
Isaac VanBibber and Hester Op den Graeff
Jacob Isaacs VanBibber and Christina ___________
Isaac Jacobs Vanbibber and
Francis Schumacher
Peter VanBibber
and Anna ___________
Peter
Vanbibber, Jr and Marguery Bounds
Ellinor
VanBibber and Peter VanBebber
Peter
VanBibber and Catherine Ridenour
Olive
VanBibber and Thomas Ives Fulfer
John
Suttle Fulfer and Sarah Davis
James
Preston Fulfer and Fannie Ray Bently
Brady
Lee Fulfer and Jesse Blanche Fulfer
Paul
Franklin Fulfer and Hazel Jean Martin
Terry
Lynn Fulfer
-AND-
Isaac VanBibber and Hester Op den Graeff
Jacob Isaacs VanBibber and Christina ________
Isaac Jacobs VanBibber and
Francis Schumacher
Peter VanBibber
and Anna __________
Isaac
VanBibber and Sarah Davis
Peter
VanBebber and Ellinor VanBibber
Peter
VanBibber and Catherine Ridenour
Olive
VanBibber and Thomas Ives Fulfer
John
Suttle Fulfer and Sarah Davis
James
Preston Fulfer and Fannie Ray Bently
Brady
Lee Fulfer and Jesse Blanche Brown
Paul
Franklin Fulfer and Hazel Jean Martin
Terry
Lynn Fulfer
Terry Fulfer
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THE ORIGINAL 13 GERMANTOWN SETTLERS MAIL LIST
From Vincent E. Summers (vsummers@nrao.edu) (Non-subscriber)
Folks,
I have made the new list a moderated list. That is, it will
be the same as the Listbot list. Outsiders cannot post. If you
see a message on another site that would be of interest to the
group, you can contact the poster, and if they give the ok, you
can copy
and paste their letter and send it to the group. Plus you can
always invite a person to join. There are no requirements.
Next, I increased the size of the digest slightly, so that I could increase the size of the letters we can post. Rootsweb allows various settings. But if you set it too high, it messages up the digest posts. So I set the maximum size of the letters we can send up from 20,000 to 30,000. And I set the digest from something like 32,678 to 40,000. Also, instead of every 18 hours, digests will be sent every 24 hours (or sooner if size exceeded).
Sometime soon I intend to put taglines on the bottom. I will try to use these for important directions. It should help prevent the need for repeating the same instructions to individuals that are new. Of course, I am always willing to help if there is difficulty, or an unfamiliarity with the way things run.
I am allowing the two-weeks public access to the mail list archives. Joe Patterson, please contact me and help me understand this provision a little better...
One of the taglines will list our homepage. Maybe even more than one.
Please break off all button interfaces, if you have one, or
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Or tell them how they may subscribe. It makes it even better, if you can tell them what to expect.
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Vince Summers
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Jim Brown (jbrow35@attglobal.net)
And David Brown (dbrown711@juno.com)
I just learned about this site and would like to subscribe.
Jim Brown (from David C R line in Virginia (WV now))
Thanks, Jim
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Dear Jim,
What a surprise!!! Bruce Logan contacted me and thought I'd be interested in contacting you! Am I ever!!! Here's my line.
Me-David John Brown Jr.-known in the family as Buster or Bus. Outside of family as "Dave"
Father-David John Brown Sr. (birth certificate-John David Brown)-know
as "Dave"
Grandparents-Lucy Belle Van Bibber Brown -"Lucy" and
James Robert Brown
Great-Grandparents-John Campbell Robinson Van Bibber -"Jack"
or "Jackson" and Malinda Catherine Taylor Van Bibber
Great-Great Grandparents-David Campbell Robinson Van Bibber and
Jane Williams Van Bibber
Any of these familiar to you? My "Uncle Arch" was Thomas Archibald Brown. His only son, my cousin Jim, was James Edward Brown, who I knew through his entire life. He married Edna Johnson. They lived in St. Paul Minnesota and so did I. They had a son Bryan, who had a son, James Edward Schilling, according to my notes. We lived about 4 blocks apart.
Is this Jim in your ancestry?
Waiting to hear from you,
Dave
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On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 17:53:37 +1100 "Jim Brown" <jbrow35@attglobal.net>
writes:
We share David CR but diverge after that.
My line is:
David Campbell Robinson VanBibber and Jane Ann Williams
Margaret VanBibber and Thomas Nebergall
Elizabeth Jane Nebergall and Samuel Vorce Wheeler
My grandmother was Rhoda Wheeler and she married Arthur John Brown
who came
from the line of Browns as follows:
James Brown and Martha Simpson both from Ireland (County Down
and County Donegal respectively) Newton Perry Brown and ____ Ten
Eyck Garlock (Newton born in
Muscatine Iowa and _____ born in Muscatine too.
Thanks for the email.
Jim Brown
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Dear Jim,
I was in a state of shock when I received Bruce's message! "Jim Brown"! Could you be in cousin Jim's line? Why was I so sure that you were? I should have waited for your reply. Now, after looking through my data, one possibility is that you're Jim Harlow Brown, son of Max Harlow Wheeler. If so, I have a lot of data you might be interested in. One is a family listing from Mary Laflen which I received in '85. Over the years I have been helped by an awful lot of people. Several were, and are, Nebergall descendants..
I started most of my family chasing all over the place. I finally settled on a specific plan. That was in the '70s. My plan was to chart David Campbell Robinson Van Bibber's descendants down to my generation.
I declared it satisfactory to MY satisfaction about five years ago. I have about 350 source documents for these individuals. Many of those documents are letters from all these relatives, all interested in helping. Some years after I started the project I found that only a computer could accommodate and process the data, and so I started with ROOTS lll , very obsolete today but still did a good job for me then. If I could get others to follow my lead who were NOT in David's descendant list, I would be able to interchange and have very broad Van Bibber data.
The REAL fun would begin! And that was to collect all those wonderful stories that I heard as a kid.
You see, family stories were what started me on genealogy.
When I was about 9 or 10, I lived with my Grandma, (Lucy Belle
Van Bibber Brown). Oh! Those stories! Indian fighting, exploring,
hunting, fishing. People like Daniel Boone. My grandma had the
stories, but she didn't know many of the names of the Van Bibbers
involved, except for her parents and grandparents. These stories
stayed in my mind over the years. When I
was in college after the war I took a class in "Human Ecology"
and studied the Western Migration and why, where, and how those
pioneers did what they did. I had to write a term paper and decided
I would do some research on Van Bibbers. After all, they started
in Holland, then Pennsylvania, and then spread across the country.
Why wouldn't they be typical. The first day my studying started
I went to the State Historical Society library in St. Paul, MN,
where I lived. I made a pass at the catalogue and spotted some
books that sounded interesting, then to each index. Would you
believe there were Van Bibbers listed????
Then went to the pages, and there they were! Many of the stories that Grandma had told me! Complete with names and relationships. Well, I still have copies of that term paper. I got a pretty good grade out of it too. I was hooked for life!
And now the NEWSLETTER! I found out about it from a distant
relative who
gave me a few of the early copies. How excited I am that people
like yourself, if interested, can find out about their family
roots! The computer, E-mail, and the Web have opened it all up
to everyone! When I read the membership list on those old copies,
I was amazed at the number of people on that list that I have
corresponded with for many decades. A whole new horizon!
Well, here I go, running off again.
Let me from you.
Dave Brown
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YOAKUM – VAN BIBBER CONTACT
By Toni Turk (tturk@sanjuan.net)
(Non-subscriber)
Bruce:
Thanks for the reference. By way of an FYI here's the details
of my Van Bibber record.
Toni Richard Turk
tturk@sanjuan.net
http://trturk.recallwd.com
http://www.gj.net/~tturk
ELIZABETH1 VAN BIBBER was born Abt. 1725 in ,,VA, and died July
17, 1763 in
Muddy Creek, Greenbrier, (WV), VA. She married VALENTINE (FELTY)
YOCUM Abt. 1746 in ,VA.
Notes for ELIZABETH VAN BIBBER:
Elizabeth was killed in the Chief Cornstalk Indian Massacre by
the Shawnee.
1. Records of William Peck.
Notes for VALENTINE (FELTY) YOCUM:
Valentine was also known by the name Felty. Apparently these are
interchangeable, whether for a given name or for a surname. Valentine
was in Greenbrier Co., VA, in 1761. He was killed in the Chief
Cornstalk Indian Massacre by the Shawnee.
1. "A History of the Yoakum ... Families," by H. C.
Smith, 1963.
2. Records of William Peck.
3. Records of Bob Derryberry, Ussnzs@ao.com.
4. Ancestral File.
Toni Turk
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EARLIEST SETTLERS OF GERMANTOWN
By Original-13-L@rootsweb.com) (Non-subscriber)
This email was posted April 18th at 6:07 P.M. 1999. For those
wondering
about the early settlers of Germantown after the Original 13,
it may
assist you...
"The Earliest Settlers of Germantown". by Judge Harold
D. Saylor, former President of the Germantown Historical Society
Spellings are variable.
Ship America, arrived 20 August 1683
Francis Daniel Pastorius, Jacob Schumacher, Isaac Dilbeck, George
Wertmuller, Jacob Gasper, Conrad Bacher, Frances Simpson, Cornelius
Bom
Ship Concord, arrived 6 October 1683
Lenert Arets, Johannes Bleikers, Peter Keurlis, Tunes Kunders,
Jan Lensen, Jan Lucken, Abraham op den Graeff, Herman op den Graeff,
Margaretha Op den Graeff, the mother of the Op den Graeffs, Jan
Siemens, Willem Strepers, Abraham Tunes, Reinert Tisen, Dirck
Tison.
Settlers who came in 1684:
Wigard and Gerhard Levering, Ennecke Klostermann (married Pastorius),
Evert in den Hoffe (DeHaven), Herman op den Trap, Jan Linderman,
Levin Haberdinck, Michel Renberg, Klas Jensen (Nicholas Johnson),
Jacob Isaac van Bebber, Mathias van Bebber, Walter Seimen, Hans
Peter Umstat (Umstead), William Hosters, Kornel Thieszen (Cornelius
Tyson), Herman Dors, Paul Kuster, Jean de la Plaine, Thomas Rutter,
Kornelius Siverts, Daniel Scherkes, H. J. van Aaken, Hubert Brauer,
Jan Neusz (Nice),
Gerhard Hendricks, Henrick Buchholtz, Arnold van Fossen, Philip
Hanselman.
Eugene Stackhouse
President, Germantown Historical Society
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From Alice Schurman (ASCHUR@parknet.pmh.org)
At the risk of being repetitive I am still looking for something on Ann(Mary) Van Bibber. I found a bit in the newsletter archives from Kirbyroe that I have not followed up yet regarding having a copy of the page from the family Bible of Mary Van Bibber and William Dudley Bonds. He is always Dudley in the Census and she is Ann. This bit had her being born in England and coming from up East to South Carolina. I wonder if she meant New England. The census has her parents as Americans no further north than Virginia. After collecting a stack of group sheets and notes on Van Bibbers/Boones/Chews about an inch thick, I am truly frustrated.
Learned a lot of history I did not know. I can get history from books. I need a parent for Miss Van Bibber a.k.a. Mrs. Dudley Bonds mother of William Meredith Bonds. I have two pictures of unidentified people with dark hair, fair skin and light eyes. The female picture is Civil War time dress and hair , taken in New Orleans. The young man of the same era picture taken in Little Rock Ark. I suspect it is a Bonds but it could be anybody. Attention readers, date and put names on those Christmas pictures. Be they ever so humble, they could be the only one left someday of a dear person who will have become an "ancestor". Happy New Year dear cousins! Alice Schurman(double Dutch) from Texas.
Alice Schurman
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From Jan Hoy (jhoy1@ix.netcom.com)
I show a Barbara Carlock b. 1-31-1805 married to Gabriel Van
Bebber, son of
John VanBebber and Margaret Crisman.
Gabriel's brother Peter married Sarah Grimes. Sarah Grimes'
mother was Nancy Carlock b. abt 1778 (supposedly in TN). Nancy
Carlock married George Grimes
probably about 1802. Sarah Grimes was born in 1803.
Do either of you have any information about this Carlock family? or the George Grimes family?
This George Grimes-Nancy Carlock marriage has been a dead-end for me. I can't seem to find any Carlock information, and there are several Grimes families, and I can't figure out which one George belongs to.
I know these families aren't your main focus, but I'm hoping
that you may
have some information from working collateral lines etc.
Thanks,
Jan Hoy
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