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The Good Ship "Lydia"

NOTE:  Jack Delmont Downey was told by his grandfather that Jacob, John William and Michael Shick arrived on the Lydia on October 9, 1747, and that they were on the same ship as our Huffman ancestor.  Below is an article from the October 22, 1747 edition of the "Pennsylvania Gazette" that states the Lydia did arrive on October 22, 1747, but there is no passenger list available for this arrival date.  There is a passenger list for the September 19, 1743 arrival of the Lydia and Johannes Hendrick Hoffman is on this list but not the Shick brothers.  I donít know if the Shick brothers actually arrived in 1743 and werenít on the passenger list or if they actually arrived on October 9, 1747 and only came on the same ship as Johannes Henry Hoffman but on different dates.  It is not unusual for people who came in steerage to not be on a passenger list.  Also anyone who was sick was often excluded from a passenger list.  Children under the age of 16 were not listed as passengers, and women were often not listed.
There is also listed on the manifest, Johannes Koenig who could also be an ancestor.  Eventually a Huffman married a Koenig.  I donít have any proof that this Koenig is one of our ancestors but the possibility is there.

24 SEP 1747 Lydia 9 OCT 1747 Restauration 13 OCT 1747 Two Brothers 20 OCT 1747 ------- The "Pennsylvania Gazette" of 22 OCT 1747 under the Philadelphia shipping report, stated "Monday last arrived here Captain Abercrombie from Holland with Palatines".

That was the only mention of a ship from Holland or Rotterdam, or with "Palatines". The 20th of October 1747 was a Tuesday, not a Monday. It is possible that the ship could have arrived on the 19th, and the passengers didn't come ashore until the next day, hence the date on the list. I rechecked the microfilm of the original ship's list at the Pennsylvania State Archives in Harrisburg, but there were no clues to the identity of the ship on the lists, only the date of 20 OCT 1747 and that the ship sailed from Rotterdam, which is in Holland. The only Captain Abercrombie mentioned in "Pennsylvania German Pioneers" was James Abercrombie. He was the captain of the Lydia when it arrived on 19 SEP 1743. The next time the Lydia arrived was on 24 SEP 1747, and William Tiffin had taken over as its captain. James Abercrombie appears as captain of the ship St. Andrew on 9 SEP 1749, 14 SEP 1751, and on 23 SEP 1752, the only dates in that time interval when the St. Andrew appears on the Philadelphia ship lists.

Capt. James Abercrombie
from Rotterdam, last from Cowes.
Arrived Philadelphia, 19 September 1743.
Original records may be found in the Colonial Records of the Pennsylvania Archives, Vol. III

Kindly alphabetized & contributed by Mary Russell.

Look at these lists carefully. Spellings are as found in the record and spellings for the same surnames vary! These have been alphabetized, so they are not as found in the record. The signatures have attempted to be matched with the appropriate person in the ship list, but please use your own judgement on these "matches"!!

Passenger List                   Declaration of Fidelity            Oath of Alegiance
   Name, Age                          (signature)                     (signature)

Peter Alden, 29                   Peter (X) Althenn                    Peter(+)Althen
Jurigh Ament, 60                  George (X) Ament                     George(X)Ament
Philip Ament, 20                  Johann Phillip Amendt                Johann Phillip Amendt
Johannes Ament, 18                Johannes  Amendt                     Johannes  Amendt
Wilhelm Apple, 29                 Wilhelm Apbel                        Wilhelm Apbel
Johannes Ax, 25                   Johannes Ax                          Johannes Ax
Frans Baker, 27                   Frantz Becker                        Frantz Becker
Johannes Bender, 30               Johannes Benner                      Johannes Benner
Johannes Bender Jun'r, 18         Johannes (X) Bender                  Johannes(+) Bender
Johannes Bower, 38                Johannes Baur                        Johannes Baur
Heronimus Brough, 21              Herrmanus Bruch                      Herrmanus Bruch
Casper Cassner, 26                Casper Gassner                       Casper Gassner
Hans Adam Cowl, 20                Johann Adam Gaul                     Johann Adam Gaul
Johannes Tirn, 28                 Johannes Dörr                        Johannes Dörr
Simon Dreisback, 45               Simmon Dreisbach                     Simmon Dreisbach
Johan Jost Dreisback, 20          Johann Jost Dreisbach                Johann Jost Dreisbach
Johan Adam Dreisback, 19          Johann Adam Dreisbach                Johann Adam Dreisbach
Johan Jacob Ecker, 37             Johann Jacob (H) Hecker              Johan Jacob (H) Häcker                                                                 Ha:ker
Jurian William Eckert, 36         George Wilhelm (X)Eckhart           George Wilhelm(X) Eckhart
Willhelm Elzeroot, 18             Johann Wilhelm Eckroth               Johann Wilhelm Eckroth
Diedrick Fall, 34                 Dedrich Fahl                         Dedrich Fahl
Jost Former, 43                   Joost (+) Former                     Joost (+) Former
Leonard Gesell, 31                Johan Leonhard Gesell                Johann Leonhard Gesell
Johan Geo. Goodman, 18            Joh. George (X) Goodman              Johan (+) Goodman
Johan William Goodman, 16         Joh. Wilh. (X) Goodman
Rudolph Goodman, 47               Johann Rudolf  Gutman                Johann Rudolff Gutman
Frans Grayligh, 45                Frantz Greulich                      Frantz Greulich
Christian Harshy, 30              Christian (X) Hershee                Christian (X) Härshy
Philip Hayer, 31                  Philip (ll) Hager                    Philip (ll) Heger
Johann Fred'k Hayer, 23           Johan Friderich Heyer                Johan Friderich Heyer
Johan Valentine Hayer, 18         Vallandien Heyer                     Vallendin Heyer
Johan Hend'k Hoffman, 35          Johannes Henrich Hoffman             Johannes Henrich Hoffman
Hendrick Kecker, 19               Johan Henrich Gücker                 Johan Henrich Gücker
Johan Jacob Kecker, 26            Johan Jacob Gücker                   Johan Jacob Gücker
Johannes Kenke, 27                Johannes Hürche                      Johannes Hürche
Valentine Kleter, 23             Valentin (X) Kletter                 Valentin (X) Kletter
Johannes Konigh, 38               Johannes Konig                       Johannes Konig
Conradt Kool, 24                  Conrath Kohl                         Conrath Kohl
Willhelm Kreiter, 20              Johan Wilhelm Kreutter               Johan Wilhelm Kreutter
Mathias Lintz, 48                 Matthias Lentz                       Matheas (M) Lentz
Hendrick Leipkiger, 30            Henrich (O) Lebkucher                Henry (0) Lepkucher
Johan Christ'o Loos, 23           Johann Christoph (++) Loos          JohanChristoffer(++)Looss
Johan Jacob Missenhamer, 23       Johann Jacob Meissener
Christian Neff, 25                Johan Christian Neff                 Johan Christian Neff
Peter Owl, 25                     Johann Peter Uhl                     Johann Peter Uhl
Johannes Peltz, 26                Johannes (X) Peltz                   Johannes (B) Peltz
Johannes Piester, 27              Johanes Pfister                      Johanes Pfister
Johannes Platenberger, 22         Johannes (++) Plattenberger          Johannes (++) Blattenberger
Johan Christ'n Reistein, 19       Johannes Christ Rischstein           Johannes Christ Rischstein
Mich'l Reyderback, 25             Johan Michel Reidenbeck              Johan MichelReidenb(ach)
Johan Mich. Reyderback, 20        Johan Nickel Reinbech                JohannNickell Reidenbach
Johan Fred'k Ringer, 23           Johanes Friedrich Sänger             Johanes Friedrich Sänger
Johannes Rood, 32                 Johannes (R) Roth                    Johannes (R) Roth
Valentine Rood, 35                Valentin (XX) Roht                   Valentin (XX) Roth
Lodwick Rudolph, 27               Johann Ludwig Rudolph                Johann Ludwig Rudolph
Conradt Saler, 13                 Conrad (x) Saller                    Conrad (x) Sallem
Tielman Schutz, 42                Tilemannus Schutz                    Dielman (x) Shütz
Johannes Septer, 26               Johannes (+) Zepter                  Johannes (+) Zepter
Johannes Sen, 36
Andreas Smith, 20                 Anrean Schmit                        Andreas Schmit
Valentine Smith 26                Valentin Schmidt                     Valentin Schmidt
Johan Nichol Sower, 50            Johan Nickel Sauer                   Johan Nickel Sauer
Hendrick Swartz, 19               Henrick (ll) Schwartz                Henry (+) Schwartz
Jurigh Swartz, 27                 Johan Görg Schwartz                  Johan Gorg Schwartz
Georg Vrie, 26                    Georg Frieh                          Georg Frieh
Christian Walter, 23              Johannes Christian Walther           Johannes Christian Walther
Heronimus Weber, 25               Hironimus Weber                      Hirieonimus Weber
Johannes Weeler, 27               Johannes (+) Weller                  Johannes (+) Weller
Conradt Weit, 31                  Konradt Wirdt                        Konradt Wirdt
Henrick Vry, 40                   Henrich (X) Frey                     Henry (X) Frey
Gerard Wyck, 27                   Johann Gerhart Weick                 Johann Gerhart Weick
Jeremias Wytigh, 37               Jeremias (O) Weydy                   Jeremias (X) Weidy
Johannes Young, 40                Johannes Jung                        Johannes Jung

German Pioneers to Pennsylvania
Passenger Ships' Lists
Includes People from the Palatine

[List 99 A] A List of The Names & Ages of the Men imported in the ship Lydia, Capt. James Abercrombie, 19th September 1743.

Jost Former, 43                      Johannes Piester, 27
Johannes Bender, 30                  Lodwick Rudolph, 27
Johannes Bender, Junior, 18          Peter Owl, 25
Frans Baker, 27                      Johannes Platenberger, 22
Diedrick Fall, 34                    Peter Alden, 29
Johannes Septer, 26                  Gerard Wyck, 27
Johannes Weeler, 27                  Wilhelm Apple, 29
Johannes Kenke, 27                   Jurian Willm Eckert, 36
Tielman Schutz, 42                   Willhelm Elzeroot, 18
Johannes Ax, 25                      Hendrick Swartz, 19
Heronimus Weber, 25                  Willhelm Kreiter, 20
Christian Walter, 23                 Hans Adam Cowl, 20
Johan Christn Reistein, 19           Johan Jacob Missenhamer, 23
Johan Hendk. Hoffman, 35       Rudolph Goodman, 47
Johan Jacob Kecker, 26               Johan Willm. Goodman, 16
Hendrick Kecker, 19                  Johan Geo. Goodman, 18
Conradt Weit, 31                     Mathias Lintz, 48
Simon Dreisback, 45                  Georg Vrie, 26
Johan Jost Dreisback, 20             Conradt Kool, 24
Johan Adam Dreisback, 19             Michl Reyderback, 25
Johannes Young, 40                   Johan Mich. Reyderback, 20
Heronimus Brough, 21                 Andreas Smith, 20
Johannes Konigh, 38             Hendrick Leipkiger, 30
Jurigh Ament, 60                     Frans Grayligh, 45
Philip Ament, 20                     Casper Cassner, 26
Johannes Ament, 18                   Johan Christo. Loos, 23
Johannes Rood, 32                    Johannes Sen, 36
Conradt Saler, 13                    Hendrick Vry, 40
Christian Neff, 25                   Johannes Bower, 38
Leonard Gessell, 31                  Johannes Tirn, 28
Johan Jacob Ecker, 37                Philip Hayer, 31
Jurigh Swartz, 27                    Valentine Kleter, 23
Christian Harshe, 30                 Johann Fredk. Hayer, 23
Johannes Peltz, 26                   Johan Valantine Hayer, 18
Valantine Smith, 26
Johan Fredk. Ringer, 23              Persons in all      73
Valentine Rood, 35                                       32
Johan Nichol. Sower, 50                                 ___
Jeremias Wytigh, 37                                     105

[Endorsed:] Capt. Abercrombies List of Palatines, 19th Sept. 1743.
[List of 99 B] [Palatines imported in the Ship Lydia, James Abercombie, Master, from Rotterdam. Qualified September 20, 1743.]

Joost (+) Former                     Johann Henrich Gücker
Johannes (+) Bender                  Konradt Wirdt
Johannes Benner                      Simmon Dreisbach **
Frantz Becker                        Johann Jost Dreisbach
Diedrich Fahl                        Johann Adam Dreisbach
Johannes (+) Zepter                  Johannes Jung
Johannes (+) Weller                  Herrmanus Bruch
Johannes Hürche                      Johannes Konig
Tilemannus (X) Schutz                Johanes Pfister
Johannes Ax                          Johann Ludwig Rudolph
Hironimus Weber                      Johann Peter Uhl
Johannes Christian Walther           Johannes (++) Plattenberger
Johann Christ Rischstein             Peter (X) Althenn
Johannes Henrich Hoffman             Johann Gerhart Weick
Johann Jacob Gücker                  Wilhelm Apbel
George Wilhelm (+) Eckhart           Christian (X) Hershee
Johann Wilhelm Eckroth               Johannes (X) Peltz
Henrich (ll) Schwartz                Valetin Schmidt
Johan Wilhelm Kreutter               Johannes Friedrich Sänger
Johann Jacob Meissener               Valetin (XX) Roht
Johann Adam Gaul                     Johan Nickel Sauer
Johann Rudolf Gutman                 Jeremias (O) Weydy
Matthias Lentz                       Frantz Greulich
Georg Frieh                          Casper Gassner
Conrath Kohl                         Johann Christoph (++) Loos
Johan Nickel Reinbech                Henrich (X) Frey
Johan Michel Reidenbeck              Johannes Baur
Anreas Schmit                        Johannes Dörr
Henrich (O) Lebkucher                Philip (ll) Hager
Johann Philipp AmEndt                Valentin (X) Kletter
Johannes AmEndt                      Johan Friderich Heyer
Johannes (R) Roth                    Vallandien Heyer
Johan Christian Neff                 George (X) Ament
Johan Leonhard Gesell                Conras (X) Saller
Johann Jacob (H) Hecker              Joh. Wilh. (X) Goodman
Johan Görg Schwartz                  Joh. George (X) Goodman

List of Palatines, imported in the Lydia, Capt. James Abercrombie, 19th Sept. 1743.
** Simon Dreisbach, Sr., and Jr., were prominint elders of the Indian Creek Reformed Church in Allen township, Northampton County. See the letter of Simon Dreisbach, Jr., written in January 1773, published by the Rev. Dr. John B. Stoudt, in the Reformed Church Review, Vol. XVIII (1914), pp. 206-218.
· (List A): The Captain's List
· (List B): The signers of the Oath of Allegiance to England
· (List C): The signers of the Oath of Abjuration

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