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Ancestors of Cedric and Brendan
Eileen Sherring [Parents] 1, 2 was born 3, 4 on 21 Nov 1918 in Grainger, Alberta, CANADA. She died 5, 6 on 29 Mar 1997 in Delta, British Columbia, CANADA. She married Donald Alexander Morrison.
They had the following children:
F i Sheryl Diane Morrison F ii Margaret Murdina Morrison M iii Donald Edward Morrison F iv Katherine Eileen Morrison
Fred Macpherson [Parents] 1 was born 2, 3 on 31 May 1916 in 19 Gatley Street, Manchester, Lancashire, ENGLAND. He died 4, 5 on 1 Jul 1993 in 81-1400-164 Street, Surrey, British Columbia, CANADA. He married 6 Mae Rose Olkovick on 5 Jul 1941 in St. Andrew`s-Wesley United, Church, Vancouver, British Colum. They were married 7 on 5 Jul 1941 in St. Andrew`s-Wesley United, C, V, British Columbia, CANADA.
Born Fred Yates, changed name to Fred MacPherson.
Mae Rose Olkovick 1 was born 2, 3 on 22 May 1920 in Kamsack, Saskatchewan, CANADA. She died 4, 5 on 28 Sep 1994 in 81-1400-164 Street, Surrey, British Columbia, CANADA. She married 6 Fred Macpherson on 5 Jul 1941 in St. Andrew`s-Wesley United, Church, Vancouver, British Colum. They were married 7 on 5 Jul 1941 in St. Andrew`s-Wesley United, C, V, British Columbia, CANADA.
They had the following children:
F i Linda Jean Macpherson M ii Robert James Macpherson
John Stephens 1, 2 was born 3 in 1801/1843. He died 4 in 1842/1923. He was married 5 in 1825/1881.
He had the following children:
F i Caroline Eliza Stephens
Charles Thomas William Sherring 1.
He had the following children:
M i Charles Thomas William Sherring
Joseph Malliens Payne [Parents] 1 was born 2, 3 on 2 Feb 1875 in Piddletrenthide, Dorset, UK. He died 4 in 1914 in Dorsetshire Lunatic Asylum,at Charminster near Dorchester.. He married 5, 6, 7 Cicely Lizzie Dawson Chinn on 9 Mar 1896 in Piddletrenthide, Dorset, ENGLAND. He was employed 11 as "Seedsman". He was employed 12 as farm labourer and thatcher.
Joseph Malliens died young at the age of 40 at the Dorsetshire Lunatic Asylum,at Charminster near Dorchester.. His death certificate records that the cause of death was, I am afraid, General Paralysis of the Insane which is the final stage of syphilis, in those days untreatable. One can only surmise that during the fathering of 9 children, he must have passed the disease to his unfortunate wife. As, during his working life he had been merely a farm labourer and thatcher, and at one time worked for a seedsman, there would have been no savings!
Family home "The Myrtles" in Piddletrenthide
Cicely Lizzie Dawson Chinn [Parents] 1 was born in 1875 in Sturminster Newton, Dorset, UK. She was christened 2 on 7 Feb 1875 in Sturminster Newton, Dorset. She died 3 on 1 Jan 1938 in Whipcott Farm, Holcombe Rogus, Devon, UK. She was buried 4 in Holcombe Rogus, Devon, UK. She married 5, 6, 7 Joseph Malliens Payne on 9 Mar 1896 in Piddletrenthide, Dorset, ENGLAND. She was born 9 in 1859/1883.
Christening date IGI ref C160021 source 1239248 Bishop's Transcripts 1731-1880 Parish Church of Sturminster Newton
Note from Daphane A. Hills - 1871 Census for Shapwick RG11/2093 Emun.Dist.4 no.71 the Police Station lists:
Cicely L.D. Chinn - daughter of Charles and Martha Jane Chinn, age 6 Scholar b.Sturminster NewtonIn a note from Mike Payne, he mentions that Cicely used two derrivatives the other being Cecily. The family appear to use the later most frequently.
Cecily Lizzie Dawson Chinn was left widowed or deserted by her husband just before WW1. She had 9 young children and we believe to avoid the workhouse, went into service, taking the two youngest children with her. The older children were left to find work for themselves, and the middle children were "farmed off" to various friends or relatives, and lost all contact with their mother and siblings.
In later life, she re-established contact with her daughter Cis, and went to live with her near Wellington, Somerset. She remained with her daughter for at least 7 years before passing away in her sleep early in 1938. it is believed she is buried at Holcombe Rogus, Wellington, Somerset, though have been unable to discover her grave.
In later life Cicely must have been a large women. In a letter her daughter wrote after her passing, she mentionned that it required 10 men to get her coffin down stairs to the sitting room where she rested. She was buried at Holcombe quite near her sister Lill at 2 oclock on a Tuesday. The only member of her family to attend was her daughter Cis.
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Message from Mike Payne, grandson to Cicely [Chinn] Payne.Just a few more personal details about my paternal grandma, Cicely Payne, nee Chinn which might be of interest.
She has been an elusive character, and the British Secret Acts which denies details of censuses etc. of less than a 100 years ago to the casual researcher, has not helped. I doubt that there is anyone still living who has memories of her, altho she was still living in 1937. But you never know.
What I can tell you, is that she had a very hard life. After her marriage to my grandfather, Joseph Malliens Payne at the age of 20 or so in the 1890,s she had 9 children in abot 12 years. of which the 3rd youngest was my father, Joseph Sydney Payne. Her husband, Joseph Malliens died young at the age of 40 at the Dorsetshire Lunatic Asylum,at Charminster near Dorchester.. His death certificate records that the cause of death was, I am afraid, General Paralysis of the Insane which is the final stage of syphilis, in those days untreatable. One can only surmise that during the fathering of 9 children, he must have passed the disease to his unfortunate wife. As, during his working life he had been merely a farm labourer and thatcher, and at one time worked for a seedsman, there would have been no savings!
Social welfare being then non-existent, there was no widow's pension, so, to avoid the dreaded workhouse, all she could do was to go "into service" in some local big house, with the elder daughters doing the same. She was able to take the very youngest child, with her. The intermediate children, including my father stayed in the district, farmed out to friends, acquaintances and distant relatives under a kind of unofficial fostering fairly common in those days where they were expected, inreturn for being cared for intheir junior years, to be unpaid servants during their teenage years.
My father had no memory of his parents, and probably lost any contact with his mother before another year was up. My guess is that she joined her sister, Lilian at Holcombe Rogus before 1920, possibly by way of Upper Sydling near Cerne Abbas in dorset, because that is where her youngest child ,Phyllis, died.
My Aunt Sis, her daughter, Cicely Bearden, nee Payne, joined her in Devon. Holcombe Rogus , a very small village between Tiverton and Wellington had a large mansion house , Holcombe Court, where she must have worked along with Lilian as a cook/ housekeeper, I would think, as accomodation was provided for her when she became too ill to work. According to Sis, in a letter to brother Reginald after he mother's death in 1937, she had spent a very difficult 10 years looking after the old lady. Apparently it took ten men to carry grandma down the stairs for her funeral. The death cerificate does give "great obesity" as one cause of death.
My father, Joseph did gradually re-establish communications with his siblings in the 50's, and I have fond memories of discovering my new aunts, uncles and cousins in my teenage years, especially Aunt Sis who ran the Pub in Burlescombe!
We (my wife and I) recently went to Holcombe Rogus to look for grandma's grave. She died penniless, so there was no tombestone, but, from the dating of the graves around, a fairly accurate can be made of the position of her resting place. It is a beautiful, tranquil place. She deserved at least that much. Mike Payne
They had the following children:
F i Helen Cicely Ruby Payne M ii Rupert Percival Payne 1 was born 2 in Mar 1897 in Piddletrenthide, Dorset, UK. He died 3 in Jun 1897 in Piddletrenthide, Dorset, UK.
Was a twin to Ruby [Helen Cicely Ruby] Chinn, which died in infancy.F iii Bertha Christina Payne F iv Daisy Alberta Payne M v Reginald Charles Payne F vi Amy Louise Payne F vii Cecily Ivy Payne M viii Joseph Sydney Payne M ix Stanley Payne F x Phyllis M. J. Payne 1 was born 2 in Jun 1912 in Piddletrenthide, Dorset, UK. She died 3 in Jun 1932 in Sydling St. Nicholas, Dorset, UK.
Reginald Charles Payne [Parents]
Amy Louise Payne [Parents]
She had the following children:
F i Marie
Frank Beardon 1 died in 1997. He married Cecily Ivy Payne. Frank was employed as Off-License / Innkeeper.
Cecily Ivy Payne [Parents] 1 was born 2 in 1905. She died in 1997. She married Frank Beardon.
Could be Ivy Cecily. Known as Cis.
Transcript of a letter provided by Rachel McVeigh, written by "Cis" to Reg Payne, her brother. Spelling and grammar are as per the original:
Mr and Mrs R Payne
Parkbury Cottage
Balcombe Road
Bournemouth WestWhipcott Farm
Holcombe Rogus
Taunton
Somerset
Dear Reg & Ede,Your letter was most cheering to me in all the trouble you are the only one in the family to even write let alone offering any help. I spent a lot in sending telegrams all round Bert of course came over but Dais never even has written at all, too bad isn’t it. Well Reg I don’t feel I can take £9 from you but perhaps £6 I would like you to keep anyhow £3 to tide you and Ede over the bad weather Bert declares she dropped her insurance but may be able to get enough back from it to buy her black she has not even suggested any help. She they are very bad off and although they have a pub she charged me 4/9 for 4 quart bottles of beer for the bearers to drink so you see how it is. Well Reg mother has between £30 to £40 in the P.O so by the time I have cleared all expenses I shall not get much but to be fair and having what she has got I am prepared to bear the greatest expence of it all. If you send the £6 I shall feel you are doing it as a duty not because I have asked you and you will be the only one to help other than myself. She left a will saying I was to have all she had in clothes and money except £5 she left to my boy Derrick who she worshipped. So Reg I hope you will think me very fair, I’m sure you will & if you send £9 I shall return £3 to you. No one will ever know what Frank & I went through with her for 7 years, I’m sure we more than deserve what is left over. Your flowers came very fresh & nice. She was buried at Holcombe quite near Aunt Lill at 2 oclock on Tuesday. No one in the family saw her but me. She just went off as peacefull as could be without knowing it. It took 10 men to get her coffin down stairs to the sitting room where she rested. I miss her very much indeed, the house is upside down through it all and I am far from well, the Dr told me today I need a rest & change or I will get a breakdown, and then to crown it all Frank fell ill with flue Sunday the Dr come every day and he is still in bed, but I think today he is a little better, you see I have had him in bed all through he couldn’t go to the funerel or help me in any way, I’ve been worried to death nearly all through it all. Well Reg I have heaps of letters to answer as you can guess so I will close with my love and thanks to you both write soon
From Cis & Frank
Following notes were provided by Rachel McVeigh:
The letter is not dated but the post mark looks like 1938.
Two of the other sisters are mentioned in the letter - Daisy and Bert. (Bert is female - poss Bertha.) My Grandfather, Joseph Sydney, was not reunited with his family until about 1948, having been separated from them in 1914Cis and Frank clearly looked after Cecily in her final years. It would seem that she was quite a large woman (10 men needed to carry her coffin downstairs!) and that she was quite a burden to them for 7 years. Their address is a farm, but the Beardons were not farmers, and I wonder if the farm possibly belonged to Cecily's sister Lilly and her husband (1881 census has the Russell family living at this address - I shall have to check subsequent censuses). Cecily, we believe, went into service after her husbands death, and possibly, upon retirement, could perhaps have gone to live with her sister... The farm doesn't seem to exist any more - it seems to be holiday apartments now.
By 1948, Cis and Frank were certainly not living at the farm - they ran an off-license in Wellington, Somerset, and later had the Ayshford Arms Inn in Burlescombe, Devon. It seems from the letter that Bert (Bertha) was also in the licensing trade, just as their Grandfather, Charles Chinn was after his retirement from the police in 1891!
Other odd bits of information on this family, picked up from my mother. Cis Beardon died about 5 years ago. She outlived her husband Frank and both her children, Marjorie (b. c.1930) and Derrick (b. c.1932). Derrick's 2nd wife, Jean, is still living.
I believe I have given you brief details of the break up and reunion of the Payne family. I think it's a fascinating story and am trying to piece bits together, including finding out all I can about the Gillingham family that brought my Grandfather up.
They had the following children:
F i Marjorie Beardon M ii Derrick Beardon
Joseph Sydney Payne [Parents] 1 was born 2 on 18 Apr 1907 in Piddletrenthide, Dorset, UK. He died 3 on 26 Aug 1968. He was buried 4 on 2 Sep 1968 in St Mary's Church, Donyatt, Illminster, Somerset. He married 5 Hartie Jennings on 27 Dec 1933 in Wyke Regis, Dorset. Joseph was of the church of England 6 faith. He was employed 7 as Engineer.
After his father's death/disappearance, Joseph Sydney was brought up by a couple named Gillingham in or near the village of Piddletrenthide. Mr Gillingham was a saddler and owned a leather shop in Dorchester. They never adopted Joseph, but
there was an understanding that he would be apprenticed upon leaving school. Joe led an unhappy childhood and this apprenticeship never happened.In later life, Joe was reunited with many of his siblings following an incident where he lost his wallet and it was returned to the wrong Payne! He became close to his sister Cis, though unfortunately this was too late to re-establish contact
with his mother, who had died quite recently.
Hartie Jennings [Parents] 1 was born 2 on 11 Mar 1904 in Wyke Regis, Dorset. She died 3 on 11 Dec 1992. She was buried 4 on 18 Dec 1992 in St Mary's Church, Donyatt, Illminster, Somerset. She married 5 Joseph Sydney Payne on 27 Dec 1933 in Wyke Regis, Dorset. Hartie joined religion 6 Church of England. She was employed 8 as School teacher.
They had the following children:
M i Removed By-Request F ii Removed By-Request F iii Removed By-Request
Stanley Payne [Parents]
They had the following children:
F i Phyllis Payne
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